The Big Extraction

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Webers.Home

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The so-called rapture terminates the church age with an impossible-to
ignore wake-up call. Assuming it's true; I've no doubt the world over will be
awestruck and very badly shaken by the number of dead folks coming back
to life seemingly out of thin air. We're talking about nigh unto 2,000 years of
Christians from every era since the days of Christ. That's a significant
number.

1Thess 4:16a . . For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a
loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of
God

The only archangel named in the New Testament is Michael (Jude 9)
However, according to Daniel 10:13 there's more than one archangel so I
think it would be a mistake to insist the archangel's voice in 1Thess 4:16 is
Michael's.

The trumpet call of God is possibly relative to Rev 1:10-18. (cf. 1Cor 15:52)

1Thess 4:16b . . and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

* That incident is sometimes omitted from dramatized versions of the event.

"in Christ" is limited to folks who've undergone the Spirit's supernatural
initiation rite per 1Cor 12:13 and Eph 1:13.

1Thess 4:17 . . .Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air,

That scene would be easier to picture were the Earth flat, but it's a huge
sphere. So when those folks are taken up into the sky, I suspect they will
form a sort of human Oort Cloud all 'round the world at first.

Their exact rendezvous location with the Lord is a bit of a mystery. It's been
suggested they'll actually pass up thru the clouds and their assembly with
the Lord "in the air" will take place above them.

FAQ: What if there are no clouds in some areas?

REPLY: I think we can expect adequate high altitude weather conditions for
that one special day; it is after all a miraculous event.

* Folks left behind will very likely find themselves in immediate danger as
wide spread chaos, confusion, fear, and calamity are happy hunting grounds
for insurrection, looters, vandalism, hoarders, financial panic, and violent
riots.
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#2
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The so-called rapture terminates the church age with an impossible-to
ignore wake-up call. Assuming it's true; I've no doubt the world over will be
awestruck and very badly shaken by the number of dead folks coming back
to life seemingly out of thin air. We're talking about nigh unto 2,000 years of
Christians from every era since the days of Christ. That's a significant
number.


1Thess 4:16a . . For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a
loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of
God


The only archangel named in the New Testament is Michael (Jude 9)
However, according to Daniel 10:13 there's more than one archangel so I
think it would be a mistake to insist the archangel's voice in 1Thess 4:16 is
Michael's.


The trumpet call of God is possibly relative to Rev 1:10-18. (cf. 1Cor 15:52)

1Thess 4:16b . . and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

* That incident is sometimes omitted from dramatized versions of the event.

"in Christ" is limited to folks who've undergone the Spirit's supernatural
initiation rite per 1Cor 12:13 and Eph 1:13.


1Thess 4:17 . . .Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air,


That scene would be easier to picture were the Earth flat, but it's a huge
sphere. So when those folks are taken up into the sky, I suspect they will
form a sort of human Oort Cloud all 'round the world at first.


Their exact rendezvous location with the Lord is a bit of a mystery. It's been
suggested they'll actually pass up thru the clouds and their assembly with
the Lord "in the air" will take place above them.


FAQ: What if there are no clouds in some areas?

REPLY: I think we can expect adequate high altitude weather conditions for
that one special day; it is after all a miraculous event.


* Folks left behind will very likely find themselves in immediate danger as
wide spread chaos, confusion, fear, and calamity are happy hunting grounds
for insurrection, looters, vandalism, hoarders, financial panic, and violent
riots.
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Probably right about Michael since he is the messenger, Gabe is the bouncer.

I have tried to picture that event but it’s tough to do … thinking through a supernatural event with the human mind leaves me with limited scope.


Like if the dead are raised incorruptible (spirit beings) … no need for the graves to be opened

And if it happens “in the twinkling of an eye” …..that is so quick! The only thing those left behind will notice is that we are gone… And for that I am sure those left in authority may use …. aliens took us ….or something they can dismiss.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
 

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Like if the dead are raised incorruptible (spirit beings)

According to Rom 8:29, 1Cor 15:49, Phil 3:21 and 1John 3:2; Jesus'
followers are on track to be transformed into people just like him. The thing
is: Jesus is capable of dining upon ordinary food and beverage.

Matthew 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from
now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you
before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in
the kingdom of God.

Luke 22:28-30 . .You are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials;
and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant
with me, for a kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in my
kingdom.
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#4
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The verse below is deliberately misquoted in order to emphasize a point.
Watch for the revision.

"It is sown a material body, it is raised a spirit body. If there is a material
body, there is also a spirit body." (1 Cor 15:44)

There are of course spirit bodies, e.g. angels and demons. However, the
actual word in the verse above is supposed to be spiritual rather than spirit,
and in some places describes things that bear absolutely no resemblance
whatsoever to the bodily chemistry of an invisible being. For example:

Spiritual gifts (Rom 1:11)
Spiritual law (Rom 7:14)
Spiritual things (Rom 15:27)
Spiritual people (1Cor 2:15)
Spiritual nourishment (1Cor 10:3)
Spiritual water (1Cor 10:4)
Spiritual rock (1Cor 10:4)
Spiritual counselors (Gal 6:1)
Spiritual blessings (Eph 1:3)
Spiritual music (Eph 5:19)
Spiritual understanding (Col 1:9)
Spiritual housing (1Pet 2:5)
Spiritual sacrifices (1Pet 2:5)

In a nutshell; the spiritual body is simply a fabulous upgrade from mortality
to immortality, and from corruptible to incorruptible, and from vile to
glorious.

ps: I am so looking forward to that spiritual body: cancer, combined with chemo
and radiation, has emaciated me to the point where I resemble the half-dead Jews
liberated from Dachau and Auschwitz.
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#5
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I expect the rendezvous will be very noisy as thousands of voices fill the air
with a deafening roar of laughter and cheers because those of us who lived
our lives out to old age, enduring time's wasting process, along with injuries
and diseases, will of a sudden find ourselves young and strong again.
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