What Is The Morrow After The Sabbath In Leviticus 23?

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HopeinHim98 · Apr 18, 2023

Walter said:

The one after the last day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? This one has been a source of confusion for me in regards to whether the weekly cycle is a continuous 7-day or if it restarts at each new moon.

Because look. The priest waves the sheath on the morrow after the sabbath. (v. 11) Which sabbath? If it is the one that is the last day of Unleavened Bread, then it could be any day of the modern week and not necessarily Sunday. then you count 50 days, and it's supposed to still be the morrow after the sabbath when they celebrated Shavuot... Does anyone else understand why this confuses me? Because, say if the last day of Unleavened Bread was a Wednesday, count 50 days, you land on a Thursday. (if my math is right) My point is, you don't land on a Sunday.

I know some people believe they began counting on the morrow after the weekly sabbath that fell in the week of Unleavened Bread. But to me that seems a bit of a stretch? But that would be the only way to get it to land on a Sunday every year.

The other theory is that ancient Israel kept a lunar-based calendar, restarting their weekly cycle at the beginning of each month, making the weekly sabbath a different day each month. Also it would make many of the feasts, including Unleavened Bread and Pentecost, fall on weekly sabbaths. But then if they count 7 sabbaths complete, it would be more than the required 50 days. Their answer to this is that the extra days in the month and the new moon days don't count as days, and therefore it would be 50 true days.

Which of these is the correct way Israel counted for Pentecost?

Walter · Apr 18, 2023

HopeinHim98 said:

The one after the last day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? This one has been a source of confusion for me in regards to whether the weekly cycle is a continuous 7-day or if it restarts at each new moon.

Because look. The priest waves the sheath on the morrow after the sabbath. (v. 11) Which sabbath? If it is the one that is the last day of Unleavened Bread, then it could be any day of the modern week and not necessarily Sunday. then you count 50 days, and it's supposed to still be the morrow after the sabbath when they celebrated Shavuot... Does anyone else understand why this confuses me? Because, say if the last day of Unleavened Bread was a Wednesday, count 50 days, you land on a Thursday. (if my math is right) My point is, you don't land on a Sunday.

I know some people believe they began counting on the morrow after the weekly sabbath that fell in the week of Unleavened Bread. But to me that seems a bit of a stretch? But that would be the only way to get it to land on a Sunday every year.

The other theory is that ancient Israel kept a lunar-based calendar, restarting their weekly cycle at the beginning of each month, making the weekly sabbath a different day each month. Also it would make many of the feasts, including Unleavened Bread and Pentecost, fall on weekly sabbaths. But then if they count 7 sabbaths complete, it would be more than the required 50 days. Their answer to this is that the extra days in the month and the new moon days don't count as days, and therefore it would be 50 true days.

Which of these is the correct way Israel counted for Pentecost?

Good question, however
(15) Ye shall count... from the morrow after the sabbath. —That is, from the day following the first day of holy convocation, which was a rest day. As this was the fifteenth of Nisan, the counting began from the sixteenth (see Leviticus 23:11), the day on which the omer of the first-fruits was presented to the Lord.

Pilgrimshope · Apr 18, 2023

Walter said:

I think he's just saying " begin your measurement of days the morning after the sabbath "

And ye shall count unto you from the morrow( morning) after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: even unto the morrow( morning) after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
Leviticus 23:15‭-‬16 KJV

Just my take though

Not sure but I think it's an instruction of when to start counting off the seven successive Sabbaths

Walter · Apr 18, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

In the book of Leviticus Yahweh commands His people: “And ye shall COUNT UNTO YOU from the morrow after the sabbath [the Passover holy day] . . . seven weeks [correct translation] shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh week shall ye NUMBER FIFTY DAYS” (Lev.23:15-16).

In this passage God commands His people to “count” seven weeks, from the day after the Passover high holy day, and to “number” or count fifty days. In Deuteronomy, God also commands: “Seven weeks shall you NUMBER unto thee: BEGIN TO NUMBER the seven weeks from such time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn” (Deut.16:9). Notice! THREE TIMES God commands His people to “count” and to “number” the days between Passover and Pentecost -- the Feast of Weeks! How many of God’s people have been faithfully carrying out this divine commandment?

The Jewish rabbis refer to this as “counting the omer.” The “omer” is the “wave sheaf” of barley which is cut down and offered to Almighty God at the beginning of barley harvest, the day following the Passover holy day, Nisan 15. It was to be waved by the high priest before God on Nisan 16, the day barley harvest was to begin. Nobody was to eat anything from the harvest until this act was done, in obedience to God's command. An “omer” consisted of about 5.1 pints of grain. Alfred Edersheim in his book The Temple:Its Ministry and Services, tells us that the evening following Nisan 15th: “The law had it, 'Ye shall bring a sheaf [literally the omer] of the firstfruits of the harvest unto the priest . . .' This Passover-sheaf, or rather omer,was to be accompanied by a burnt offering

Now this Passover-sheaf was reaped in public the evening before it was offered, and it was to witness this ceremony that the crowd gathered around 'the elders,' who took care that all was done according to traditionary ordinance” (p.203). Edersheim continues: “The expression, 'The morrow after the Sabbath' (Lev.23:11), has sometimes been misunderstood as implying that the presentation of the so-called 'first sheaf' was to be always made on the day following the weekly Sabbath of the Passover-week.

This view, adopted by the 'Botheusians' and the Sadducees in the time of Christ . . . rests on a misinterpretation of the word 'Sabbath' (Lev.23:24, 32, 39). As in analogous allusions to other feasts in the same chapter, it means not the weekly Sabbath, but the day of the festival. The testimony of Josephus (Ant. 3.248-249), of Philo (Op. ii, 294), and of Jewish tradition, leaves no room to doubt that in this instance we are to under- stand by the 'Sabbath' the 15th of Nisan, on whatever day of the week it may fall” (The Temple, p.204).

Though one ephah, or ten omers, of barley was cut down, only one omer of flour, about 5.1 pints, was offered in the Temple, on the second day of Passover (Nisan 16). But what does the “omer” represent, and why and how should we “count the omer”? What is this mysterious command all about? Is this something which applies to true Christians and believers in Christ today? Or is this just something that concerned ancient Israel?

Love, Walter

Walter · Apr 18, 2023

Walter said:

In the book of Leviticus Yahweh commands His people: “And ye shall COUNT UNTO YOU from the morrow after the sabbath [the Passover holy day] . . . seven weeks [correct translation] shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh week shall ye NUMBER FIFTY DAYS” (Lev.23:15-16).

In this passage God commands His people to “count” seven weeks, from the day after the Passover high holy day, and to “number” or count fifty days. In Deuteronomy, God also commands: “Seven weeks shall you NUMBER unto thee: BEGIN TO NUMBER the seven weeks from such time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn” (Deut.16:9). Notice! THREE TIMES God commands His people to “count” and to “number” the days between Passover and Pentecost -- the Feast of Weeks! How many of God’s people have been faithfully carrying out this divine commandment?

The Jewish rabbis refer to this as “counting the omer.” The “omer” is the “wave sheaf” of barley which is cut down and offered to Almighty God at the beginning of barley harvest, the day following the Passover holy day, Nisan 15. It was to be waved by the high priest before God on Nisan 16, the day barley harvest was to begin. Nobody was to eat anything from the harvest until this act was done, in obedience to God's command. An “omer” consisted of about 5.1 pints of grain. Alfred Edersheim in his book The Temple:Its Ministry and Services, tells us that the evening following Nisan 15th: “The law had it, 'Ye shall bring a sheaf [literally the omer] of the firstfruits of the harvest unto the priest . . .' This Passover-sheaf, or rather omer,was to be accompanied by a burnt offering

Now this Passover-sheaf was reaped in public the evening before it was offered, and it was to witness this ceremony that the crowd gathered around 'the elders,' who took care that all was done according to traditionary ordinance” (p.203). Edersheim continues: “The expression, 'The morrow after the Sabbath' (Lev.23:11), has sometimes been misunderstood as implying that the presentation of the so-called 'first sheaf' was to be always made on the day following the weekly Sabbath of the Passover-week.

This view, adopted by the 'Botheusians' and the Sadducees in the time of Christ . . . rests on a misinterpretation of the word 'Sabbath' (Lev.23:24, 32, 39). As in analogous allusions to other feasts in the same chapter, it means not the weekly Sabbath, but the day of the festival. The testimony of Josephus (Ant. 3.248-249), of Philo (Op. ii, 294), and of Jewish tradition, leaves no room to doubt that in this instance we are to under- stand by the 'Sabbath' the 15th of Nisan, on whatever day of the week it may fall” (The Temple, p.204).

Though one ephah, or ten omers, of barley was cut down, only one omer of flour, about 5.1 pints, was offered in the Temple, on the second day of Passover (Nisan 16). But what does the “omer” represent, and why and how should we “count the omer”? What is this mysterious command all about? Is this something which applies to true Christians and believers in Christ today? Or is this just something that concerned ancient Israel?

Love, Walter

Walter · Apr 18, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

In the book of Leviticus Yahweh commands His people: “And ye shall COUNT UNTO YOU from the morrow after the sabbath [the Passover holy day] . . . seven weeks [correct translation] shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh week shall ye NUMBER FIFTY DAYS” (Lev.23:15-16).

In this passage God commands His people to “count” seven weeks, from the day after the Passover high holy day, and to “number” or count fifty days. In Deuteronomy, God also commands: “Seven weeks shall you NUMBER unto thee: BEGIN TO NUMBER the seven weeks from such time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn” (Deut.16:9). Notice! THREE TIMES God commands His people to “count” and to “number” the days between Passover and Pentecost -- the Feast of Weeks! How many of God’s people have been faithfully carrying out this divine commandment?

The Jewish rabbis refer to this as “counting the omer.” The “omer” is the “wave sheaf” of barley which is cut down and offered to Almighty God at the beginning of barley harvest, the day following the Passover holy day, Nisan 15. It was to be waved by the high priest before God on Nisan 16, the day barley harvest was to begin. Nobody was to eat anything from the harvest until this act was done, in obedience to God's command. An “omer” consisted of about 5.1 pints of grain. Alfred Edersheim in his book The Temple:Its Ministry and Services, tells us that the evening following Nisan 15th: “The law had it, 'Ye shall bring a sheaf [literally the omer] of the firstfruits of the harvest unto the priest . . .' This Passover-sheaf, or rather omer,was to be accompanied by a burnt offering

Now this Passover-sheaf was reaped in public the evening before it was offered, and it was to witness this ceremony that the crowd gathered around 'the elders,' who took care that all was done according to traditionary ordinance” (p.203). Edersheim continues: “The expression, 'The morrow after the Sabbath' (Lev.23:11), has sometimes been misunderstood as implying that the presentation of the so-called 'first sheaf' was to be always made on the day following the weekly Sabbath of the Passover-week.

This view, adopted by the 'Botheusians' and the Sadducees in the time of Christ . . . rests on a misinterpretation of the word 'Sabbath' (Lev.23:24, 32, 39). As in analogous allusions to other feasts in the same chapter, it means not the weekly Sabbath, but the day of the festival. The testimony of Josephus (Ant. 3.248-249), of Philo (Op. ii, 294), and of Jewish tradition, leaves no room to doubt that in this instance we are to under- stand by the 'Sabbath' the 15th of Nisan, on whatever day of the week it may fall” (The Temple, p.204).

Though one ephah, or ten omers, of barley was cut down, only one omer of flour, about 5.1 pints, was offered in the Temple, on the second day of Passover (Nisan 16). But what does the “omer” represent, and why and how should we “count the omer”? What is this mysterious command all about? Is this something which applies to true Christians and believers in Christ today? Or is this just something that concerned ancient Israel?

Love, Walter

Walter · Apr 18, 2023

HopeinHim98 said:

In the book of Leviticus Yahweh commands His people: “And ye shall COUNT UNTO YOU from the morrow after the sabbath [the Passover holy day] . . . seven weeks [correct translation] shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh week shall ye NUMBER FIFTY DAYS” (Lev.23:15-16).

In this passage God commands His people to “count” seven weeks, from the day after the Passover high holy day, and to “number” or count fifty days. In Deuteronomy, God also commands: “Seven weeks shall you NUMBER unto thee: BEGIN TO NUMBER the seven weeks from such time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn” (Deut.16:9). Notice! THREE TIMES God commands His people to “count” and to “number” the days between Passover and Pentecost -- the Feast of Weeks! How many of God’s people have been faithfully carrying out this divine commandment?

The Jewish rabbis refer to this as “counting the omer.” The “omer” is the “wave sheaf” of barley which is cut down and offered to Almighty God at the beginning of barley harvest, the day following the Passover holy day, Nisan 15. It was to be waved by the high priest before God on Nisan 16, the day barley harvest was to begin. Nobody was to eat anything from the harvest until this act was done, in obedience to God's command. An “omer” consisted of about 5.1 pints of grain. Alfred Edersheim in his book The Temple:Its Ministry and Services, tells us that the evening following Nisan 15th: “The law had it, 'Ye shall bring a sheaf [literally the omer] of the firstfruits of the harvest unto the priest . . .' This Passover-sheaf, or rather omer,was to be accompanied by a burnt offering

Now this Passover-sheaf was reaped in public the evening before it was offered, and it was to witness this ceremony that the crowd gathered around 'the elders,' who took care that all was done according to traditionary ordinance” (p.203). Edersheim continues: “The expression, 'The morrow after the Sabbath' (Lev.23:11), has sometimes been misunderstood as implying that the presentation of the so-called 'first sheaf' was to be always made on the day following the weekly Sabbath of the Passover-week.

This view, adopted by the 'Botheusians' and the Sadducees in the time of Christ . . . rests on a misinterpretation of the word 'Sabbath' (Lev.23:24, 32, 39). As in analogous allusions to other feasts in the same chapter, it means not the weekly Sabbath, but the day of the festival. The testimony of Josephus (Ant. 3.248-249), of Philo (Op. ii, 294), and of Jewish tradition, leaves no room to doubt that in this instance we are to under- stand by the 'Sabbath' the 15th of Nisan, on whatever day of the week it may fall” (The Temple, p.204).

Though one ephah, or ten omers, of barley was cut down, only one omer of flour, about 5.1 pints, was offered in the Temple, on the second day of Passover (Nisan 16). But what does the “omer” represent, and why and how should we “count the omer”? What is this mysterious command all about? Is this something which applies to true Christians and believers in Christ today? Or is this just something that concerned ancient Israel?

Love, Walter

HopeinHim98 · Apr 18, 2023

Walter said:

Okay, I didn't realize it was counted from the first day. The last day of U. B. is also a rest day/ holy convocation; I thought it was after that day but I'm sure I could be wrong.

But still, even counting from the day following the first day of U.B., how would you end up with a "morrow after the sabbath" after counting 50 days? Maybe I'm not asking in a clear enough way, hope you can understand what I mean.

Walter · Apr 18, 2023

HopeinHim98 said:

In the first part of your statement, you are correct, from our studies, we started the Omer count the day after the Passover on the 16th. of Abib. and you are asking about a very important issue, thanks.

Locoponydirtman · Apr 19, 2023

The day after the sabbath, we typically call it Sunday, but its the first day of the week.

HopeinHim98 · Apr 19, 2023

Locoponydirtman said:

But this passage is talking about the morrow after the sabbath of the first day of Unleavened Bread, which could make it any day of the week because the feasts are calculated by the moon. The feasts had days that were considered sabbaths.

Pilgrimshope · Apr 19, 2023

Walter said:

In the book of Leviticus Yahweh commands His people: “And ye shall COUNT UNTO YOU from the morrow after the sabbath [the Passover holy day] . . . seven weeks [correct translation] shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh week shall ye NUMBER FIFTY DAYS” (Lev.23:15-16).

In this passage God commands His people to “count” seven weeks, from the day after the Passover high holy day, and to “number” or count fifty days. In Deuteronomy, God also commands: “Seven weeks shall you NUMBER unto thee: BEGIN TO NUMBER the seven weeks from such time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn” (Deut.16:9). Notice! THREE TIMES God commands His people to “count” and to “number” the days between Passover and Pentecost -- the Feast of Weeks! How many of God’s people have been faithfully carrying out this divine commandment?

The Jewish rabbis refer to this as “counting the omer.” The “omer” is the “wave sheaf” of barley which is cut down and offered to Almighty God at the beginning of barley harvest, the day following the Passover holy day, Nisan 15. It was to be waved by the high priest before God on Nisan 16, the day barley harvest was to begin. Nobody was to eat anything from the harvest until this act was done, in obedience to God's command. An “omer” consisted of about 5.1 pints of grain. Alfred Edersheim in his book The Temple:Its Ministry and Services, tells us that the evening following Nisan 15th: “The law had it, 'Ye shall bring a sheaf [literally the omer] of the firstfruits of the harvest unto the priest . . .' This Passover-sheaf, or rather omer,was to be accompanied by a burnt offering

Now this Passover-sheaf was reaped in public the evening before it was offered, and it was to witness this ceremony that the crowd gathered around 'the elders,' who took care that all was done according to traditionary ordinance” (p.203). Edersheim continues: “The expression, 'The morrow after the Sabbath' (Lev.23:11), has sometimes been misunderstood as implying that the presentation of the so-called 'first sheaf' was to be always made on the day following the weekly Sabbath of the Passover-week.

This view, adopted by the 'Botheusians' and the Sadducees in the time of Christ . . . rests on a misinterpretation of the word 'Sabbath' (Lev.23:24, 32, 39). As in analogous allusions to other feasts in the same chapter, it means not the weekly Sabbath, but the day of the festival. The testimony of Josephus (Ant. 3.248-249), of Philo (Op. ii, 294), and of Jewish tradition, leaves no room to doubt that in this instance we are to under- stand by the 'Sabbath' the 15th of Nisan, on whatever day of the week it may fall” (The Temple, p.204).

Though one ephah, or ten omers, of barley was cut down, only one omer of flour, about 5.1 pints, was offered in the Temple, on the second day of Passover (Nisan 16). But what does the “omer” represent, and why and how should we “count the omer”? What is this mysterious command all about? Is this something which applies to true Christians and believers in Christ today? Or is this just something that concerned ancient Israel?

Love, Walter

so your looking for what the Omer means in the pattern of Moses law ? I’ve never really considered that but it seems to measure out as tithing being one tenth offered I mean

Pilgrimshope · Apr 19, 2023

Infact in the ot late it tells how Jerusalem would be besieged and how only a remnant a tenth would be used to glory

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