Works of the Law

These were teaching from the master teacher and one of his greatest teachers, so I can not make it any clearer than they did.

not this person....

How does someone grow in Grace?

I don't know anyone that suggests we still follow the law (except some misguided Hebrew roots kinds of folks on here)....
What we have instead of law and grace, is grace and obedience. BIG difference.
Obedience is how others know we are truly Christ's disciple... we can say all day long, I love Jesus, but if we do not do as he instructed us to the best of our abilities.... then we don't truly love him.
And, there are ups and downs...... some days, the best of my ability is much better than other days.. we are all works in progress.

That's what many have been led to believe, but I ask you this question.
If your sins are forgiven, why does God discipline those he loves? If your sins are forgiven there is no criteria for punishment....is there?

there is salvation and there is discipleship

salvation is free ... discipleship is costly.

When someone is saved, the punishment for their sins, which was placed on Jesus, is removed from them and paid in full. Actually this was done 2000 years ago, and merely made known to them.
No longer having a punitive reaction to sin, God disciplines His children as a means of correction and instruction, much the way any father disciplines their children.
Discipline is a loving act of a caring father. So it is with our heavenly Father.

My brother, many good folks like you fail to understand one important factor right in front of you.
That factor is...We are under a New Covenant. The Old Covenant God gave to Moses....those commandments God gave to him was called the Law of Moses.
Do you know why?
It's because that's exactly what a covenant is....rules and regulations....a contract.
Now you and I are under a New Covenant....That covenant is called the Law of Christ...because he also has commandments we are meant to keep. But when you say you are not under the Law, in affect...what you are actually saying, is you are not under the New Covenant of Jesus Christ.

Good to know you're still out there Brother!!

yes you can sin against grace, Joseph who was before Moses and the law knew this.

When Potiphur's wife would tempt him to unchastity he cried "how can I sin against God? [by implication God's grace toward him] and he fled.

If he had gone into Potiphur's wife he still would have been God's elect.

And here we see Joseph punished for his righteousness, obviously not by God and yet it was in God's plan for Joseph to be in prison. And Paul warns us likewise that we will suffer persecution for our righteousness.

King David was totally forgiven for his sin ... but his life was full of trial and heartache ever after.

But Punishment for what??

Was Joseph under the New Covenant?

Sin.

It is the covenant in Christ's blood, He did good and got our bad, we did bad and got Christ's good that's the deal, the covenant. We sinned and He was punished for it.

Our sin was accounted to Him and His righteousness was accredited to us. What a salvation.

Now the law exceeded it's authority when it demanded the execution of Jesus, the law which must always be black and white, which can never be transgressed is found to be in transgression itself in-as-much as it demanded and took the life of One who was innocent.

Therefore the law is at an end.

He wasn't under the law but grace.

Good answer...wasn't sure what you were gonna say.
But you say Jesus took the punishment for your sin. So God has nothing to punish you for, does he?

You got that right!!
Joseph loved God so God had no reason to put him under the same Law Moses and the Children of Abraham were under. And that's what this discussion is all about.
Talk more tomorrow my friend...got some cement to pour.

People who teach the law and rules and regulations are seeking to draw disciples after themselves.

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

ago hear and believe the gospel is the mechanism by which God writes upon our heart

think of how simple hearing and believing the gospel would write the gospel on our hearts based on hearing it and believing it’s why the New Testament is all about hearing the gospel and believing it and being saved

when you hear something and reject it it doesn’t get left written on your heart it isnt a seed that takes root

But if you hear a new thing and you believe this new thing it’s going to automatically leave an imprint on that part of you that accepts and believes and it’s going to alter your mind itself if the new thing is important and life altering like the gospel


This is how god writes his word on our hearts we have to hear the gospel and believe what we hear this is what creates faith in Christ

“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?

and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?

and how shall they hear without a preacher?

But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:13-14, 16-17‬ ‭

Faith comes from hearing and believing the things Jesus began to say and teach about God the father , about mankind , about to us world , about life and death about what God really wants and who God really is this is the gospel the message of who God really is and what he really said it’s an eternal message to all that believe



First the lord did this in Israel because the ot times had come to fulfillment and it was time for the messiah the law and prophets had foretold

“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then as he preached he said to them that heard him

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


then after he rose from the dead after the gospel was complete he sent them who heard and believed him out with that same saving message to all the world

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV

My point is that The visual example of God writing on our heart is a picture of the gospel being preached in all the world and it is written and imprinted upon the hearts of those who believe the message of Jesus Christ our salvation

belief of a message of concept or ideology is a powerful thing to mankind people do amazing and also terrible things because of simply what they really believe at thier core

what we really believe in our heart is what’s written there in it and so hearing and believing the gospel is how God writes his words and commandments on our heart

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Knowing the truth is another way of saying it will be wrotten on your heart if you believe the gospel

if I don’t know something how can o believe ? If I don’t hear about something how can I know about it in order to believe ?

it’s strange but we miss often that God has since day one communicated with man by his own word and he’s always spoken plainly it’s always been whether man will believe a gods word or not the gospel preached by Jesus the lord is his word

That's correct. But that doesn't mean He doesn't still discipline.
Romans 8:1...There is therefore no condemnation...
But correction is still necessary.
Condemnation gone...no more punishment.
Correction and instruction is now underway...chastisement.

You seem to conflate punishment with chastisement. One is subject to the first before salvation and the second after salvation.