Calvin did not invent the doctrines of grace

Romans 11:32

You are absolutely 110% correct of course. Scripture totally backs what you are saying and there is verse upon verse to prove it. I was in this discussion pages back and hit the same wall with the same red x on every post like that's going to change the truth of the Bible. There are people who are going to believe false doctrine no matter how much you try and show them the light. I swear if Jesus Himself sat down at explained Scripture they would still red x Him and stick to their dogma. smh

No, it doesn't. Scriptures bury this false doctrine. The fact that you are being a Pharisee and actively barring the gate to heaven to people is more concerning to me than you clinging to false doctrine. Whosoever means what it says. I proved you wrong with Scripture pages ago. This is 100% false doctrine and I don't understand why CC allows it to continue. Perhaps they simply don't see it, but it is DIRECTLY against what Scripture teaches.

nope ... God does not need you to editorialize what He wrote. However, you need to believe Scripture just as written by its Author.

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

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Yes, all those verses apply to Gods Elect or Sheep which are the same as His Elect.

yes, even the born again one. When I tried to explain that, I was told God's warnings concerning false teachers were not warnings at all but "edification of the saints". When that rendering was exposed as foolishness, I was told those warnings do not apply to the born again one because "a true believe can NEVER be "led astray" into false belief" ... holy moly talk about closing your eyes and ears to Scripture ...
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"all those verses" apply to the world ... the whole world ... just as written by the Author of Scripture.


John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

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What a loving Father we have ...

Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die ...
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Romans 11:32
very nice, @Magenta!


Psalm 36:

5 Thy mercy, O LORD, is in the heavens; and thy faithfulness reacheth unto the clouds.

6 Thy righteousness is like the great mountains; thy judgments are a great deep: O LORD, thou preservest man and beast.

7 How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.

8 They shall be abundantly satisfied with the fatness of thy house; and thou shalt make them drink of the river of thy pleasures.

9 For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.
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From Ezekiel 33:11

brightfame52, there will always be those who try to rip salvation from the power of the Saviour and instead bestow it upon themselves.

does anyone (other than myself) find it interesting that rogerg placed his x at Post 1165 which submits only Scripture verses in response to a claim and at Post 1181 which, again, contains only Scripture??? rogerg, you might just want to check your heart on that anomaly ... just sayin' ...
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You must be thinking of someone else (possibly) or confused again (probably), or both. I am not the one who believes that anyone is saved by THEIR faith. I believe someone becomes saved only because God had chosen them for salvation, and from that, they receive faith as a gift through the fruit of the Spirit. You should really get your facts straight before you make incorrect assumptions regarding someone else's beliefs, but then again, getting facts straight is always a problem for you.

The "gospel of Christ" IS OF CHRIST HIMSELF. So then, by your statement, you're actually saying that you do not believe salvation is by/from the Saviour, but of man. Do you believe that He is the Saviour, or not, with no ifs ands or buts included - you don't get to have it both ways?

It is not the scripture, it is yours (and others) interpretation of scripture. If someone refuses to follow the rules the Bible directs its
readers to follow, which you and many others don't, you can't expect to find its truth.

Yes, and he did the same in response to my Scripture panel at the top of this page.

Clearly rogerg disagrees with Scripture.

There you go again - you just did that very thing - you try to rip salvation from the power of the Saviour, giving to man.

See post 1196