problem related to praying in tongues

Thanks for the reply.

1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not in words, but in power.

Here is the full context of the verse you put up:

(1 Corinthians 4:17) For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.
(1 Corinthians 4:18) Now some are puffed up, as though I would not come to you.
(1 Corinthians 4:19) But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power.
(1 Corinthians 4:20) For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
(1 Corinthians 4:21) What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?

All to do with Paul sending Timothy to the Corinthians .. and Paul also willing to come to them to admonish/rebuke. Because of the Corinthians waywardness Paul would want to come in a spirit of meekness and love.. but may have to come with a rod of discipline.

Nothing to do with spiritual gifts here..

He was slamming speaking in tongues.

Yes.

When a person speaks in tongues he is speaking to God (1 Cor 14:2), praying in the spirit (1 Cor 14:14), thanking God (1 Cor 14:17), not sharing the gospel.

There are indications that people did speak in tongues privately and were built up by it. However, when they did so, they were still speaking a human language, not ecstatic utterances. In the assembly, there wasn't to be any speaking in tongues unless there was an interpreter so all could understand and be edified.

Of course.

Or a language of angels.

Right. Tongues is never called ecstatic utterances except by people bashing it (generally).

Right, except the person speaking in tongues is to be the person who interprets (1 Cor 14:5, 13).

This is false Doctrine Folks do not believe this -----what this person is spreading is from Satan not God ===

No the indwelling and the infilling of the Holy Spirit is definitely not the same thing ---your spreading False Doctrine here by sayin that they are -----

The Disciples were Filled with the Holy Spirit to speak in different Languages and preform miracles of healing etc ----this requires more than just the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ---it requires the infilling of the Holy Spirit -----

in the Old Testament not one person had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as we do today the indwelling came when Jesus died and was resurrected from the dead -----the Holy Spirit came and went in the Old testament --and some were filled with the Holy Spirit to preform certain duties for God's Glory -----

Who was the first person in the Bible to be filled with the Spirit?

We learn about the first Spirit-filled man in the Bible in Exodus 35:31 - Bezalel who GOD filled with HIS SPIRIT (ruwach), understanding, wisdom and workmanship to work with his hands for God

I say
So your a very confused person and are ignorant of what the Scripture is saying ------about the indwelling and the infilling of the Holy Spirit ------they are 2 different things-----

You need to Start Rightly Dividing the Word ----so you teach rightly ---not wrongly -----


This is the Scripture separating the 2-----John 20 and Acts 2 ------

In John 20 -----Jesus goes to His Disciples ----and indwelles them with the Holy Spirit by breathing on them -----it is not until Acts that the Disciples receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit --------

John 20 AMP----this is after Jesus was Resurrected ----the Tomb was empty --and he goes and appears to His Disciples -----

Jesus among His Disciples

19 So when it was evening on that same day, the first day of the week, though the disciples were [meeting] behind barred doors for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them, and said, “[i]Peace to you.”

20 After He said this, He showed them His hands and His side. When the disciples saw the Lord, they were filled with great joy.

21 Then Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you [as My representatives].”

22 And when He said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

23 If you forgive the sins of anyone they are forgiven [because of their faith]; if you retain the sins of anyone, they are retained [and remain unforgiven because of their unbelief].”


This is where the Disciples receive the Infilling of the Holy Spirit --------

Acts 2

Amplified Bible, Classic Edition

2 And when the day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all assembled together in one place,

2 When suddenly there came a sound from heaven like the rushing of a violent tempest blast, and it filled the whole house in which they were sitting.

3 And there appeared to them tongues resembling fire, which were separated and distributed and which settled on each one of them.

4 And they were all filled (diffused throughout their souls) with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other (different, foreign) languages (tongues), as the Spirit [a]kept giving them clear and loud expression [in each tongue in appropriate words]


2 different Events ---not the same thing -------

1Co 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Odd how the verses read ever so slightly different in more context.

1Co 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
1Co 14:7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
1Co 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
1Co 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
1Co 14:10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
1Co 14:11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
1Co 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

Can you explain? Even if you quote the entire chapter, how to they read differently?

Here is your post of some cherry picking. . Speaking to God reads like a really good thing.. and it is, but in the context of the chapter .


1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
1Co 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

VARob

Your Disagreeing with Scripture shows that Mr Satan has you in his grip of deception -hook --line and sinker ---your understanding is in the toilet ---LOL----so sad

Right. It is a really good thing. It's a statement of fact that when a person speaks in tongues he is speaking to God (1 Cor 14:2), and that the person is edified (1 Cor 14:2), and that he is giving thanks well (1 Cor 14:17). But if a person speaks in tongues in the church without interpreting, the church is not edified.

The context of the chapter is how to operate the manifestations in church meetings. In meetings, the church is edified when someone prophesies, or speaks in tongues and interprets.

Thanks for your input.

Note that disagreeing with you is not disagreeing with scripture.

We are who we are.
My mean almost hateful tongue talking grandma comes to mind. My other grandma also spoke in tongues but she was loving and not pushing tongues not making a public spectacle of her self.

1Co_14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Speaking in tongues does not automatically make a person nice.

Whether a Christian speaks in tongues or not, they should not make a spectacle of themselves.

Right! Great verse.

..I wonder how many Christians "covet to prophesy."

That is what you do via your postings here day after day . Not because you speak in tongues but because you are over the top about it pushing it . Chopping up Scripture to make your points , how about letting the whole of Scripture speak? Like my mean grandma who said in other ways ... no tongues no salvation

Mean Grandma made the best cinnamon rolls ...

Oh? You mean there is no one who can learn over 6000 languages? Shocking

Since we are only Seeing Dimly now, but one day, we will SEE the WORD as Himself.
That is the Perfect to Come!

And comforting to know, the majority of the Church Fathers, also believe that is what the "Perfect to Come" is, when wee Jesus in ALL of His Glory and Power