Remember Lot's Wife

If that's their plow, and if i am. right about their motives for the weird things they do, then in reality neither one turns back from it

Lot ends up getting Zoar spared from destruction and Mrs. Lot gives up her life in a last-ditch effort to make one last plea to her children.

It is a theory.
IMO it is a better explanation than the one that says God capriciously strikes her dead for wishing she could get her lipstick from her house but spares Lot for directly disobeying the angelic commands.
still a theory.
one that is able to explain all the evidence.

And if this is the case, then those believing Jews in the tribulation who should remember her, that she is a pillar of preservative salt, should specifically remember that if they lose their own lives trying to witness to the lost sheep of Israel, they will in fact find their true life, that God will preserve them, preventing them from sharing the fate of the wicked doomed to destruction by fire.

Just a theory.

an incredibly unpopular theory.
an incredibly unpopular theory that has roots in the most ancient Christian fathers.

God may take umbrage with capriciously striking down when Uzzah merely kept the Ark from falling and fared the same. But I do appreciate the back and forth and found it most edifying.

whenever God personally strikes someone dead it is something amazing that takes a lot of careful consideration.

Uzzah is just auch a case - IMO we should not at all be satisfied with any simple explanation. it is something extraordinary.
If this was an example of what happens to everyone it would happen to everyone, right??

whole other thread bro thanks for bringing it up! very much directly related!

If God had not wanted Lot in Sodom, Lot would not have been in Sodom ... God allows men to live according to choices they have made ... and suffer consequence because of those choices.

Lot is not the same example of a believer that Abraham was ... and we know Lot chose to be where he ended up.

He went in rich ... with flocks, herds, and tents (Gen 13:5) ... got captured and lost everything (Gen 14:12) ... got rescued and his stuff restored (Gen 14:16) ... escaped the judgment with nothing but his life.

kind of reminds me of the verse in 1 Cor 3 where there are believers who will make it ... but they'll be a-smokin'

1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
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In one sense I am vexed that the nation I live in has become so sinful. But I don't dwell in a place where sin is all about me. For example, when I saw what was happening in schools, I homeschooled my children. I didn't allow them to be corrupted by it. When I saw how cities were becoming cesspool, I moved to the country so I didn't have to live in the degradation. I chose to live in a place where sin doesn't run rampant.
If God were to call me to such a place, I have no problem going. But it will be God's choice, not mine.
If you want to believe Lot is a missionary, I have no problem with that. I don't see it that way. I see his life as juxtaposed to Abraham's. Abraham lived a life away from the world and entered into it as God moved him. Lot lived in the center of the most sinful city of his time. He had great wealth and lands. He didn't need to live anywhere close to Sodom. And yet he did.

Lot a believer, yes, amen

And why should i suppose he, a patriarch, was 'unequally yoked'??

i don't

I think a better way to phrase your opening statement would be if God had not allowed, not wanted. Plenty of God's people have ended up in places God hadn't chosen for them.

Who has said God did anything capriciously here? .

Still, odd to think her life is saved by killing her.

Though it does bring something from the NT to mind.

something not entirely unlike whoever loses their life will find it, mmm?

of course no one has said that outright

but because every accusation brought against Lot's wife can be equally made if not moreso against Lot too, it is a tacit implication that God is capricious if He saves lot but condemns his wife

why on earth would anyone say that outright lol

What, are we idiots?

“Lot was saved by grace but they were warned not to look back nor else tbey would share in the punishment and so you have this part the warning before hand

“And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.

( this is what Lot said )

“behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; (saved by grace but also he asks the lord to save a city that he can go to instead and the lord is gracious and does it )

and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die: behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.

And he said unto him, See, I have accepted thee concerning this thing also, that I will not overthrow this city, for the which thou hast spoken.

Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do any thing till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar. The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.”
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(So you have lot and his wife and daughters all saved by Gods grace but they are told “ don’t look back escape now in haste )

But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭19:17, 26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the way anyone gets condemned is when we hear what God said will save us. Like she was told but we do what he says not to do , instead of what he said to do

Since Adam and Eve

God said don’t eat the fruit or you will die …man ate the fruit and began to sin and die they were condemned to death by their own deeds knowing God said “ you will die “
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And then the first man ever born was told “ just do what is right and good and you will be accepted “ but instead he lured his brother out to a field and murdered him

then God gave a whole nation a written law with ordinances and instructions and at its conclusion he says of this law

“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; in that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:15-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s always breaking what God says beforehand that causes a condemnation or curse so her condemnation would have been to become the pillar of salt and reminder of what not to do in a teaching of Jesus

“Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it;

and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭17:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Lot forgot all his possessions and life in those places when god delivered them out as he was told just forget it and go

his wife was looking back to all they had and were in that place thoer life she was lamenting it seems as Jesus uses this in the middle of a lesson basically saying

lots whole family was saved by Gods faithfulness to the chosen and called Abram and his graciousness to lot also

But three of them survived and one didn’t ones life ended that day with the rest of the city

Is this a true statement

Yes to your final question and there are plenty of places where sin doesn't run rampant.

everything we dare to accuse Mrs Lot of, we could equally if not moreso accuse Lot of also

Do we judge justly
should we be judging at all

right ... but Lot was taken from Sodom and Abraham brought him back and restored all his possessions which had been taken ... which might be when Lot ended up in Sodom proper because initially when Lot and Abraham separated, Lot only pitched his tent toward Sodom. He didn't dwell in Sodom to begin with.

Genesis 13:12 Abram dwelled in the land of Canaan, and Lot dwelled in the cities of the plain, and pitched his tent toward Sodom.
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so, Lot, refusing to go to the mountains as he was explicitly commanded. saying he would die, as though God was unable, as though God's plan was stupid, pleading to go instead to one of the wicked cities of the plain that was destined for destruction instead, like God had made a mistake and Lot knew better than God.....

Explain.

why is this man not immediately struck dead

Is God capricious