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OLDMANBORNAGAIN · Jun 9, 2023

@TabinRivCA : Thanks so much for this, sister! May God Bless you always!

Radius · Jun 9, 2023

It's a Hebrew idiom. The Feast of Trumpets on the 1st day of the 7th month is known as the day and hour no one knows. Because the moon must be sighted (silver sliver visible) and no one knows if it will be seen on day 29 or on day 30. Messianic Jews in diaspora keep both because they want to be obedient and not miss that very special day of celebrating Jesus' birth.

Ive also heard this. makes sense

p_rehbein · Jun 9, 2023

Omegatime said:

If you DO NOT believe Jesus is the 2nd Person of the Holy Trinity, God the Son, then you got way more serious problems to work out than when the last day will be.........

Omegatime · Jun 9, 2023

JaumeJ said:

To those who said he knew I agree with you without any doubt. Jesus was teaching where to look! In the age and ministry of the Old Testament.

Eli1 · Jun 9, 2023

Magenta said:

This is from a post our beloved brother @Aaron56 made recently: source

He spoke these words as Jesus: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father". But Jesus died and was raised, becoming the Christ, a life-giving Spirit. His nature, then, transcended time and space. For example, while it was not possible to include all believers in Jesus as His body, because He was a singular man with one body, it is now possible to include all believers in Christ.

But let's look at a couple things:

First, what was said is "No one knows..." This is present tense. As in "no one knows at this time". So, who doesn't know, He said no one (man), angels, nor the Son; so even He did not know. He did not know as Jesus. Only the Father knew.

Let's look at something the Holy Spirit revealed to John:

Revelation 1: "This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw."

So, right away we see that this is the revelation of Jesus Christ given to Him by God. AND THEN, we see that it was given to an angel to give to John.

Jesus said "No one (man) knows, not the angels, not the Son only God. So...

No man > no angel > no Son > only God.

But Revelation 1 reverses the order of Jesus' words. In this instance, Jesus who is now the Christ, gives it to an angel to give to John.

But how did Christ get it? From the Father.

When Jesus addressed His departure, He comforted the disciples with many words.
In John 16 this is recorded:

"He (the Father) will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you."

Jesus knew His Father was about to glorify Him with the glory He had in the beginning. He also knew that all the Father had was His inheritance and that He (Jesus) was about to receive all the Father had.

Well, the Father knew the Day. So, Jesus, as the Christ, is about to receive the knowledge of the Day.

So, when He originally spoke "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" He was telling the truth, He did not know.

But now that He was going to the Father to inherit all the Father had, the revelation of the Day would be given to Him.

So, the original order was no man > no angel > no Son > only God.

But, now from heaven, through an angel, Christ gives the revelation to a man, John.

"This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw."

God gives to the >Son gives to the angels >gives to man. This is a complete reversal of the order. The circle is complete.

But if that isn't enough, here is 1 Thessalonians 5

"Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. For you are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
But you, brothers, are not in the darkness...
(So he's making a comparison between two camps: those who ARE in darkness and those who ARE NOT in darkness)
..so that this day should overtake you like a thief. For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober."

We are NOT like those who live in darkness. Therefore, the Day of His return will not overtake us like a thief.

Conclusion: we do not presently know the day but WE WILL KNOW THE DAY. No one will know in enough time to write a book about it or to get rich off of it, but those who remain sober and awake, in the Lord, will not be surprised.

This is an interesting interpretation but Aaron also thinks that martyred saints throughout history are fictional characters which are published in a Catholic monthly magazine.

Aaron56 · Jun 9, 2023

Eli1 said:

No I don't.

If you're referring to the people-worship of the Roman church, of which I have addressed, you misunderstood my point.

Since statues were expensive and timely to make, the Romans, after making Christianity their state religion around 385AD, renamed the statues and temples to fit their new polytheistic religion of saint worship. They also encouraged (and still do) praying to the dead saints for their assistance. A simple google search will find a list of dead saints and their assumed powers of helps.

This was also done to assuage the Roman populous: instead of tearing down the polytheistic religious structure of the empire (overseen by a man with the title Pontifex Maximus ... the same title still reserved for the Pope today) the people were essentially allowed to continue their pagan rituals just with different deities: the Christian saints and the "queen of heaven", Mary.

Certainly, there is much more I could write about this.

Thank you for bringing it up and giving me an opportunity to clarify what I wrote.

Eli1 · Jun 9, 2023

Aaron56 said:

No I don't.

If you're referring to the people-worship of the Roman church, of which I have addressed, you misunderstood my point.

Since statues were expensive and timely to make, the Romans, after making Christianity their state religion around 385AD, renamed the statues and temples to fit their new polytheistic religion of saint worship. They also encouraged (and still do) praying to the dead saints for their assistance. A simple google search will find a list of dead saints and their assumed powers of helps.

This was also done to assuage the Roman populous: instead of tearing down the polytheistic religious structure of the empire (overseen by a man with the title Pontifex Maximus ... the same title still reserved for the Pope today) the people were essentially allowed to continue their pagan rituals just with different deities: the Christian saints and the "queen of heaven", Mary.

Certainly, there is much more I could write about this.

Thank you for bringing it up and giving me an opportunity to clarify what I wrote.

Sure sure, whatever makes you happy friend. Do some mental gymnastics, ignore some history here and there, reject books you don’t like or books your church or your interpretation told you to not like and jump on the ‘let’s hate Catholics” bandwagon cos it’s cool.

Aaron56 · Jun 9, 2023

Eli1 said:

I've never encouraged anyone to hate anyone else.

If you are someone who loves the truth then you may rest assured: in the fullness of time, you will be led by the Spirit of truth.

selahsays · Jun 9, 2023

Omegatime said:

…. because Jesus Christ, when He came to earth the first time, was made a little lower than the angels and had emptied Himself and taken on the form of a man.

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

- Philippians 2:5-8 (KJV)

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

- Hebrews 2:9-10 (KJV)

dlw · Jun 9, 2023

This video covers a lot in a short time and is worth watching.

studentoftheword · Jun 9, 2023

Omegatime said:

My view is ------

Jesus had 2 natures ----Fully God ---Fully Human -----Jesus displayed some of His Divine Nature when He walked this earth but he also on His own laid down some of His Divine Nature ----Jesus Submitted Himself to the Father -----so Jesus by saying only the Father knows the Day and the Hour was humbling Himself to a Servant Level to do His Father's Will which was to live a human life and fulfil what His Father sent Him to do --bring Salvation to all who believe in Him in the here and now ----- not to tell people when His return would be ----

Jesus did nothing on His own when He walked on this earth ----He said and did what His Father told Him to do ---

KelbyofGod · Jun 10, 2023

Omegatime said:

Because he was walking in the role of Son at the time... and that information is not given to those walking in the role of Son.

Here's a true story:

I was once Mayor of my city. During the same time period I was also a Homeowner who needed a building permit.
As a Homeowner, I was required to submit a building permit request to the Mayor. Then, at the next city council meeting I, the Mayor, approved that request and commissioned a letter to be sent to me, the Homeowner, stating such approval.

People can get upset at that scenario if they want to. But if you understand how laws and roles work, it is a great opportunity to gain some understanding of what happened when Jesus (God) DESCENDED from heaven to walk in the role of Son. It also can help people understand why Jesus (God) in the role of SON needed to make petition to God (Himself) in the role of FATHER. If He, as a SON, wanted access to the power and attributes of the FATHER, he had to do it lawfully, JUST like we (in the role of SON) also need to make our petition to God (in role of FATHER) if we want access to his power and attributes.

Hope that helps. (Please take it to prayer)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

KelbyofGod · Jun 10, 2023

KelbyofGod said:

Otherwise the next verse would be of none effect. "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is." Mark 13:33

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Grace911 · Jun 11, 2023

Omegatime said:

How many people believe the Lord Yeshua was God?

I was considering this and remembered the head of Christ is God (1 Corinthian 11:3).

Also I remembered that Christ is God's right hand. I wonder does my right hand know all my thoughts in my mind? So while searching this out in the scriptures, I read in Psalms 98:1-3 and in verse 3 it reads in the KVJ " He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God." Salvation is Strong's H3444 = Yeshua.

So I had always thought of Yeshua/Jesus as the King of kings and Lord of lords. Continue reading Psalms 98 I read at verse 6 " With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King." The "LORD" is YHWH and He is the King."

What other verses refer to the LORD as King?

Psalms 47:6 Sing praises to God, sing praises: sing praises unto our King, sing praises.
Psalms 47:7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.

Psa 145:1 David's Psalm of praise. I will extol thee, my God, O king; and I will bless thy name for ever and ever.

Isa 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

Psa 74:12 For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth. Salvation - H3444 = Yeshua

Psa 44:4 Thou art my King, O God: command deliverances for Jacob. Deliverances - H3444 = Yeshua

So what about the right hand of God?

Isa 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God. (Again salvation - H3444 = Yeshua) AND "Nations = H1471 = goy = Gentile, heathen, nation, people"

Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Jer 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jer 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

Branch: Psa_80:15; Isa_4:2, Isa_11:1-5, Isa_40:9, Isa_40:11, Isa_53:2; Eze_17:2-10, Eze_17:22-24, Eze_34:29; Zec_3:8, Zec_6:12-13; Joh_1:45

And one last thought about "Branch" in the heavens and the astronomical celestial signs, there is the constellation of Virgo and in her right hand is a BRANCH. Yes, even the heavens declare the LORD and His Branch.

The Son was a product of the Father. Jesus said "Joh_14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

So why didn't Yeshua know the hour and the day? Because on Earth, the Feast of Trumpets, 1st day of the 7th month is not known until the 29th or 30th day. If the sliver of silver moon is not sightable on the 29th day (could be cloudy or just not there) then by default the is there 30 days in the 6th month. The Son cannot see the heavenlies from the heavens while living, breathing, walking on the Earth. He is also subject to the same rules of observation as all of us mere mortals.

Omegatime · Jun 11, 2023

Grace911 said:

How many people believe the Lord Yeshua was God?

I was considering this and remembered the head of Christ is God (1 Corinthian 11:3).

Also I remembered that Christ is God's right hand. I wonder does my right hand know all my thoughts in my mind? So while searching this out in the scriptures, I read in Psalms 98:1-3 and in verse 3 it reads in the KVJ " He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God." Salvation is Strong's H3444 = Yeshua.

So I had always thought of Yeshua/Jesus as the King of kings and Lord of lords. Continue reading Psalms 98 I read at verse 6 " With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King." The "LORD" is YHWH and He is the King."

What other verses refer to the LORD as King?

Psalms 47:6 Sing praises to God, sing praises: sing praises unto our King, sing praises.
Psalms 47:7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.

Psa 145:1 David's Psalm of praise. I will extol thee, my God, O king; and I will bless thy name for ever and ever.

Isa 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

Psa 74:12 For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth. Salvation - H3444 = Yeshua

Psa 44:4 Thou art my King, O God: command deliverances for Jacob. Deliverances - H3444 = Yeshua

So what about the right hand of God?

Isa 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God. (Again salvation - H3444 = Yeshua) AND "Nations = H1471 = goy = Gentile, heathen, nation, people"

Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Jer 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jer 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

Branch: Psa_80:15; Isa_4:2, Isa_11:1-5, Isa_40:9, Isa_40:11, Isa_53:2; Eze_17:2-10, Eze_17:22-24, Eze_34:29; Zec_3:8, Zec_6:12-13; Joh_1:45

And one last thought about "Branch" in the heavens and the astronomical celestial signs, there is the constellation of Virgo and in her right hand is a BRANCH. Yes, even the heavens declare the LORD and His Branch.

The Son was a product of the Father. Jesus said "Joh_14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

So why didn't Yeshua know the hour and the day? Because on Earth, the Feast of Trumpets, 1st day of the 7th month is not known until the 29th or 30th day. If the sliver of silver moon is not sightable on the 29th day (could be cloudy or just not there) then by default the is there 30 days in the 6th month. The Son cannot see the heavenlies from the heavens while living, breathing, walking on the Earth. He is also subject to the same rules of observation as all of us mere mortals.

If I was going to pick a feast day I would go with Pentecost concerning not knowing the day.

You do not know the day.---Pentecost is the only Day not set by the moon and day of the month but is set by the counting of days the Sunday following Passover so it is constantly changing.

“From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates---when the leaves comes out and summer is near also puts us at Pentecost

Grace911 · Jun 11, 2023

Omegatime said:

That is a very valid and good point. Also while some "get it" that the counting of the Omer begins on the Sunday after Passover, there is a sect of people who always start counting the day after the 1st day of Feast of Unleavened Bread which is Nisan 15. That is they always start counting on Nisan 16th. Their way of counting puts the 50th day on Sivan 6, which can be other days than landing on Sunday.

The following image if from torahcalendar.com for the 3rd Hebrew month of 31 AD.

The next picture is Hillel II calendar 31 AD

The Hillel II calendar has a shifting of dates to accommodate "Postponements". This is a man-made rule so as to avoid having a weekly Sabbath and a High Sabbath together or next to each other. In my opinion, the Hillel II calendar is an abomination and anyone following it will possibly miss the Appointed Times as YEHOVAH plans them to be.

Also note, that on the torahcalendar.com there is no Adar 11 (13th month) in 31 AD. That places the Hillel II calendar with its 13 months one month later than the torahcalendar.com.

Also the torahcalendar.com uses the Spring Equinox to calculate Passover and do not use the Barley being Abib.

So, listen up, there is no easy answer without putting in the time and studying out The Word. So many will "NOT KNOW THE DAY OR HOUR", but some will know and be watching accordingly.

Grace911 · Jun 11, 2023

Here is a mini lesson for anyone wanting to understand how YHWH's calendar works. I'll begin with April 25, 31 AD which is a Wednesday as seen on Quickphase Pro Moon calendars.

The first day of a visible sliver of the moon is April 11, 31 AD after sundown which makes it the 1st day of the 1st month. Counting April 12 (1), 13 (2), 14 (3), 15 (4), 16 (5), 17(6), 18 (7), 19 (8), 20 (9) , 21(10), 22 (11), 23 (12) , 24 (13), and 25(14th day of month 1/Passover)

Note: The first Sunday afater Passover April 25, 31 AD starts the counting of the Omer and that Sunday is #1.

Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

April 26, 31 AD is 15th day of 1st month and is a HIGH SABBATH.
Counting 7 days for the week of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Apsil 26 (15), 27 (16), 28 (17), 29 (18), 30 (19), May 1 (20) May 2 (21st day and the 7th day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

The next two images are for May 31 AD and June 31 AD.

JUNE 17TH, 31 AD IS THE 50TH DAY AND FALLS ON SUNDAY. This is the day that the
Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Hope this helps you to understand how YHWH's calendar works.

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