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Lafftur

Lafftur

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listenyoumustAll said:
Genesis 2:9(KJV) And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. So this tree has to do with choices ,Adam and Eve in creature were not matured in mind yet to receive of that yet . they were toddlers in the knowledge of God to make righteous choices ,Satan also has knowledge of God,
Isaiah 14:12-13(KJV) How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Glory to God Satan is brought to nothing .
Isaiah 14:15(KJV) Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
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Satan shall have his final place in the Lake of Fire... it's just a matter of time now, his sentence is sure and will come to pass.
 
Lafftur

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listenyoumustAll said:
concerning this two verses come to my mind
John 6:65(KJV) And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
So let it be a base that Judas was not coincidental.
The story of the blind man born blind sheds light on tinted cases as I would call them ..
John 9:2-3(KJV) And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Judas though he meanth it for evil ,God turned it for good .
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Yes, I agree. In scripture, Judas Iscariot and the Anti-Christ are both referred to as the "son of perdition."

John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Even when Joseph's brothers sold him into slavery, they meant it for evil but, God turned it for good and fulfilled the dreams that God had given Joseph concerning his parents and brothers. God ALWAYS has a plan and it is always for our good! :love:(y)
 
Lafftur

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listenyoumustAll said:
that's in scripture from Jesus himself my sister
Matthew 18:11-14(KJV) For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
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More evidence of God's Love toward us even while we're lost... refused to follow the Good Shepherd of our souls and ventured out on our own way... lost, confused, broken and bruised, in pieces and used.... yet, because He loves us... He comes looking for us and with great joy brings us back to Him and fellowship with other believers... Oh His Love.... His Love... :love:(y)

 
Magenta

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Pilgrimshope said:
“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of
the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

From this point on now if Adam eats the fruit he will certainly die.
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Genesis 2:17
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Magenta

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“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬
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Ezekiel 18:4 plus 32
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Magenta

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“God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭53:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬
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Romans 3:10-12
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Magenta

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Pilgrimshope said:
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part
of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the
devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
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Hebrews 2:14-16
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Magenta

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Pilgrimshope said:
For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
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Hebrews 2:17~ In all things it behooved Him to be made like His brothers so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. :)
 
Magenta

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Lafftur said:
Christ died before the foundation of the world... God the Father had slained His Lamb
before He created the world... Oh the depths of the love and wisdom of God... His Plan
is flawless.... EVERYTHING is in order and will happen.... our part of His Plan is our "choices."

He sets Life and Death before us and tells us to CHOOSE LIFE.
This is our part, to always choose Life. I choose Life! :love:(y)
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Our God is a Consuming Fire
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Magenta

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Lafftur said:
Hello beautiful @Magenta

Always enjoy your artwork! Here’s one of my favorite scriptures…

“Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore I will deliver him;I will set him on high, because he has known My name.
He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him;I will be with him in trouble;I will deliver him and honor him. Ps. 91:14-15
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Jesus invited a little child to stand among them. “Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change
and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore,
whoever humbles himself like this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven."

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LenMcM

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Magenta said:

Psalm 8:1-4 :)
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I believe you have come up with the most sensible and best reply. It is right to question all things, but ignorant and foolish to ever question God for His ways are perfect. We just need to have faith in Him.
 
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Lafftur said:
Christ died before the foundation of the world... God the Father had slained His Lamb before He created the world... Oh the depths of the love and wisdom of God... His Plan is flawless.... EVERYTHING is in order and will happen.... our part of His Plan is our "choices."
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Could it be, that the Father loves us in the same way he loves his son? That he loves us as he loves himself!
 
Lafftur

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EricH said:
Could it be, that the Father loves us in the same way he loves his son? That he loves us as he loves himself!
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Could it be that God actually loves us MORE than He loves Himself… that Jesus loves His Father MORE than He loved Himself?

Sacrifice and suffering for others is possible when I love them MORE than I love myself…

Our love for God needs to be MORE than our love for others or ourselves.

Keeping in mind…

There is always a difference in power and authority between God and Creation…

between the firstborn and many brethren…. between God the Son and the sons of God…
 
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Lafftur said:
Christ died before the foundation of the world..
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What purpose can be so great, that God would create the universe, knowing his son would die? Here is a childlike and yet profound way to challenge the power of the greatest commandments; when looking for one single purpose that might impel God to create the universe and life.

Before the creation of the universe began, imagine God the Father, Son and Holy spirit looking out into the vast empty void of space. They might think, we have the power to create anything we like, what is the greatest good thing we can create?

God could create all the stars and planets and be the supreme builder. He could create plants; and be the finest gardener. God could create the animal kingdom; and be the complete farmer. God could create children in his own image, making God the greatest Father. Can God create anything greater than children in his own image?

God could love each and everyone of his children as he loves himself. Can there be any greater reason to have children? Could God love us more than he loves himself?

In a way, God loves us more than he loves himself, because he was willing to send his Son to die for us. In a contradicting way, God knows that he is the greatest being in the universe and retains the power of heaven or hell over us.

Could there be any greater purpose for God to create the universe and life?

This is only a collection of words to challenge the mind to think, I do not pretend to understand the meaning, or to make any claims of truth from these words. They are written without any qualifications, authority, or any conscious revelations from God.
 
Lafftur

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EricH said:
What purpose can be so great, that God would create the universe, knowing his son would die? Here is a childlike and yet profound way to challenge the power of the greatest commandments; when looking for one single purpose that might impel God to create the universe and life.

Before the creation of the universe began, imagine God the Father, Son and Holy spirit looking out into the vast empty void of space. They might think, we have the power to create anything we like, what is the greatest good thing we can create?

God could create all the stars and planets and be the supreme builder. He could create plants; and be the finest gardener. God could create the animal kingdom; and be the complete farmer. God could create children in his own image, making God the greatest Father. Can God create anything greater than children in his own image?

God could love each and everyone of his children as he loves himself. Can there be any greater reason to have children? Could God love us more than he loves himself?

In a way, God loves us more than he loves himself, because he was willing to send his Son to die for us. In a contradicting way, God knows that he is the greatest being in the universe and retains the power of heaven or hell over us.

Could there be any greater purpose for God to create the universe and life?

This is only a collection of words to challenge the mind to think, I do not pretend to understand the meaning, or to make any claims of truth from these words. They are written without any qualifications, authority, or any conscious revelations from God.
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God desires children that love Him but, He cannot create them already loving Him…

God creates us with a capacity to love but, we have to choose to do so. Love must always have a choice or it is a robot and not love at all.
 
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