Ever wonder Why?….

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Lafftur

Senior Member
Apr 18, 2017
6,886
3,631
113
I already posted what the discussion boils down to for me. I have asked the questions, and also given my
answers. That is aside from the fact of trying to convince you that your beliefs around this are not Biblical.


That is to say: God did not create evil, for our good, or any other reason. Man is responsible for evil.

Neither do I need to ask the question that you are asking. I never asked you, either. Stop pretending I did.
Well, perhaps others may wonder why…

God put the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and EVIL in the garden? :unsure:
 

Fundaamental

Well-known member
Mar 17, 2023
3,289
421
83
Because that question is what our discussion is boiling down to… and it would absolutely be better if you asked God Himself instead of me.

Why did God put the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and EVIL in the garden?
hi again sweetheart 😊

I have took discerment in this and took it to God this is the answer I get back.

This is the idea that came into my mind
The knowledge of knowing good and evil is not a sin so perhaps God would have let Adam and Eve eat from the tree when they where mature enough.

But the sin was they disobeyed God.

After the sin they lost there innocence remember. So perhaps they where not mature enough to know all knowledge of Good and evil.
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
59,675
29,016
113
Well, perhaps others may wonder why…

God put the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and EVIL in the garden? :unsure:
Maybe they will, and maybe they won't; maybe I will, and maybe I won't.

None of that changes the fact I never asked you why.

I don't know why you needed to pretend I did.

Once I could have taken as a mistake on your part. But twice, the second time
after I told you I had done no such thing, becomes questionable in itself.
 

ResidentAlien

Well-known member
Apr 21, 2021
8,214
3,561
113
God didn't put the tree in the garden to give them a "choice." He didn't say: "Okay, there it is, make the right choice." He told them not to eat from it and what would happen if they did. They didn't eat from it till Satan tempted them and made them think they had a choice. When Adam & Eve told God they hid because they were naked, He didn't say: "Ah, I see you made the wrong choice." No, He said: "Who told you you were naked? Did you eat from the tree I told you not to eat from?"
 

Lafftur

Senior Member
Apr 18, 2017
6,886
3,631
113
hi again sweetheart 😊

I have took discerment in this and took it to God this is the answer I get back.

This is the idea that came into my mind
The knowledge of knowing good and evil is not a sin so perhaps God would have let Adam and Eve eat from the tree when they where mature enough.

But the sin was they disobeyed God.

After the sin they lost there innocence remember. So perhaps they where not mature enough to know all knowledge of Good and evil.
Interesting…

Thank for sharing! :love:(y)

God wants us to hate evil no matter how good it looks.

We’re learning, God’s the best teacher!
 

Fundaamental

Well-known member
Mar 17, 2023
3,289
421
83
Interesting…

Thank for sharing! :love:(y)

God wants us to hate evil no matter how good it looks.

We’re learning, God’s the best teacher!
your welcome yes and very good point.

He could have made the knowledge of evil be known for that reason,

But did he create it,

It's a difficult question I guess

One that most people would ask I guess.
 

Lafftur

Senior Member
Apr 18, 2017
6,886
3,631
113
Maybe they will, and maybe they won't; maybe I will, and maybe I won't.

None of that changes the fact I never asked you why.

I don't know why you needed to pretend I did.

Once I could have taken as a mistake on your part. But twice, the second time
after I told you I had done no such thing, becomes questionable in itself.
I hope you do more than just wonder why…

God put the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and EVIL in the garden…

I hope you ask Him and He answers you. :love:(y)
 
N

Niki7

Guest
Eve was deceived… she believed evil was good.
Eve was deceived is true. The rest is your imagination.

The tree was not evil. God created it and put it in the garden and everything God made HE declared to be good. YOU on the other hand, in your desire to be right at all costs, declare that particular tree to be evil and add that God created evil for the good of humankind.

NONE of that is in the Bible. Either you are following some loopy teacher or you are self taught and that is not working either.

The tree was good! It is only you calling it evil. Eve was deceived but Adam was not. Therefore, you are in direct conflict with scripture seeming to understand the tree somehow caused evil to the man and woman because God created it evil.

The act of disobedience caused the knowledge of what is evil to come into this world. And that, is how things really happened according to scripture. You cannot post any scripture to the contrary but continue to express your own opinions and errors. That is what needs to be seen here. You have zero evidence of what you claim.

Zero scripture to back up your ideas, but continuous blather about how God created evil for our good so we would have a choice on whether or not to love Him. You have a warped idea about what love is. Love is not creating the method by which you can point at someone and say you sinned when you are actually the reason they sinned because you put the trap there.

Actual love is God creating a way of reconciliation between Himself and the human creation He loves.

You have absolutely created a vortex of unbiblical propositions that leaves the blame for sin with God and the devil clapping his hands and hoping others see it your way. I have no doubt others see it your way when you choose to go out of your way to find others you are as off balance as it seems are you.
 
N

Niki7

Guest
Well, perhaps others may wonder why…

God put the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and EVIL in the garden? :unsure:
LOL! Remember that question of love being a CHOICE?

Jesus said if you love me, obey my commandments (and He did not mean the 10)

Love is just another 4 letter word when the Bible has become our second go to and our first go to is our own understanding.

Maybe you will have a dream about it or a waking vision even though the word is the hedge God has put around us to protect us. However when you distain the truth and disagree with that word, you have broken down that hedge and only repentance of doing so, can put a person back within that protection.

See, the devil said to Eve, has God really said? Sound familiar?
 
N

Niki7

Guest
“Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made and he said to the woman, ‘Indeed, has God said you shall not eat from any tree of the garden?’ And the woman said to the serpent, ‘From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat, but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said you shall not eat from it or touch it lest you die.’ And the serpent said to the woman, ‘You surely shall not die for God knows in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.’ And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was a delight to the eyes and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate. She gave also to her husband with her and he ate. Then, the eyes of both of them were opened and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.” Genesis 3


God is good and only good. God declared His original creation the same...good and only good. No mention of evil whatsoever. This creation reflected who He was...good and only good. No evil whatsoever.

How is it that a person cannot obtain within their own reasoning the truth that if God created evil He would have to have had evil within Himself in order to have the desire to do such a thing. In the same manner, human kind sins because sin is EMBEDDED within the fallen nature of all of us. Are we good or is our disposition to follow evil by sinning and letting sin rule our lives? Sin corrupts. It is evil and not good.

How then can a person believe that within this Being of light and no darkness, evil resides and expressed itself by creating a booby trap in the Garden and then rejoiced when that trap was sprung and the people were suddenly aware...knowledge....(which is not evil in and of itself)

And by the way, God said to put out His human creation so they would not eat from the tree of Life and thereby continue in their sinful state forever. It's right there in Genesis. It's not a mystery.

22 Then the Lord God said, “Now these human beings have become like one of us and have KNOWLEDGE of what is good and what is bad. They must not be allowed to take fruit from the tree that gives life, eat it, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God sent them out of the Garden of Eden and made them cultivate the soil from which they had been formed. 24 Then at the east side of the garden he put living creatures and a flaming sword which turned in all directions. This was to keep anyone from coming near the tree that gives life.
Genesis 3


And again, knowledge is not evil.
 

Karlon

Well-known member
Mar 8, 2023
2,480
1,102
113
It is not about "God had to think" but about "God made a plan". Do you seriously think that God did not plan out the universe in fine detail before He brought it into existence? There is MATHEMATICAL PRECISION in every part of the universe.[/QUOTE God is omniscient, omnipresent & omnipotent. omniscient means ALL KNOWING. what would you rather have: a God who had to think of things or a God who already knew everything?
 

Lafftur

Senior Member
Apr 18, 2017
6,886
3,631
113
I wonder why God created both the Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and put them both in the garden? :unsure:

I wonder why God sets both Life and Death before us and wants us to make a CHOICE… and even tells us to choose Life but still leaves the choice up to us?

I wonder why God gives us a Savior but leaves the choice to believe or not to believe up to us?

Choices….choices… decisions… decisions

Why is it so important to God that man gets to have a…. Choice? :unsure:
 

Fundaamental

Well-known member
Mar 17, 2023
3,289
421
83
I wonder why God created both the Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and put them both in the garden? :unsure:

I wonder why God sets both Life and Death before us and wants us to make a CHOICE… and even tells us to choose Life but still leaves the choice up to us?

I wonder why God gives us a Savior but leaves the choice to believe or not to believe up to us?

Choices….choices… decisions… decisions

Why is it so important to God that man gets to have a…. Choice? :unsure:
I don't know but did man choose to be created in the first place

We have to be thankful just to have life

The rest is God rules I guess.
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
59,675
29,016
113
I hope you do more than just wonder why…

God put the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and EVIL in the garden…

I hope you ask Him and He answers you. :love:(y)
I hope you come to realize that God did not create evil, and that the totkog&e was not evil, either.

Because neither views are Biblically sound.
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,085
3,677
113
I wonder why God created both the Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and put them both in the garden? :unsure:

I wonder why God sets both Life and Death before us and wants us to make a CHOICE… and even tells us to choose Life but still leaves the choice up to us?

I wonder why God gives us a Savior but leaves the choice to believe or not to believe up to us?

Choices….choices… decisions… decisions

Why is it so important to God that man gets to have a…. Choice? :unsure:
He desires a relationship with us.
 

shittim

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2016
13,740
7,740
113
He is a God of purpose, He has made a way for us to be a part of His plan of redemption of His Creation.
Bless you Laftur
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,085
3,677
113
I hope you come to realize that God did not create evil, and that the totkog&e was not evil, either.

Because neither views are Biblically sound.
Just in case it has not been posted…

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
59,675
29,016
113
Just in case it has not been posted…

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Yes, mentioned a couple of times at least, and clarified = KJV translated the Hebrew word ra improperly.

Do you also believe God is the author/creator of evil? As opposed to simply defining what evil is?

Do you think the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was evil?
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,085
3,677
113
God didn't put the tree in the garden to give them a "choice." He didn't say: "Okay, there it is, make the right choice." He told them not to eat from it and what would happen if they did. They didn't eat from it till Satan tempted them and made them think they had a choice. When Adam & Eve told God they hid because they were naked, He didn't say: "Ah, I see you made the wrong choice." No, He said: "Who told you you were naked? Did you eat from the tree I told you not to eat from?"
Why did God put that tree in the garden if it were not for a choice? He told them not to eat from eat, but from all the other trees they could eat. Sounds like a choice.
 
N

Niki7

Guest


In a post perfect and good world, it is sadly very natural for some to blame God for evil. In fact, most of us at one time or another may have done so.

But God is good and to state He made a tree evil with the thought of tempting His creation to disobey Him, is in itself evil. It is to malign the very character of God to offer this thought and is actually tempting in itself to allow a lie to creep in and distort a person's true understanding of God and what He states about Himself in scripture.