How many Christians are all words and no actions?

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JohnB said:
I am encouraging others to do the same, keep a cooler in your car with snacks and drinks to help others. GOD rewards those actions. I guess you don't want people to help others.
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@PennEd never stated he does not want people to help others, he raises a fair point we can encourage the body of Christ to be more active in doing good without pointing to, or elevating our own good works.
 
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PennEd said:
So you are complaining about those you don't see doing "Good Deeds", and proclaiming the good deeds YOU are doing.

Maybe this passage of Scripture will do you some good:

Matthew 6
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6 “Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven. 2 Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 3 But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 that your charitable deed may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward you openly.
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So you don't encourage others to help the poor and needy? You took Jesus words out of context. Jesus was talking about people boasting about doing good works to get the attention for themselves. I was not drawing attention to myself, I was encouraging others to help those in need.
 
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HeIsHere said:
@PennEd never stated he does not want people to help others, he raises a fair point we can encourage the body of Christ to be more active in doing good without pointing to, or elevating our own good works.
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So you would never encourage others how to help those in need? I don't preach when giving out the drinks and food. I just give them to those in need. Christians really need to study Jesus words in context.
 
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JohnB said:
yet the bible does just that. What does it tell you if see and brother in need and do nothing? The love of GOD is not in you.
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That is why the bible says to talk the brother aside.

but what does this have to do with your op of people who have zero works?

I know many who may have not helped a brother in need one time. but did many other works..

they would not fit your defenition..
 
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SpeakTruth101 said:
but you just did judge by saying "they ended up walking away anyway.. so its easy to understand why they never wanted to do anything"

who knows what someone does after they leave a brick building, maybe they fall away or maybe they find more tuth and a better path.
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I just use the word of God

1 John 2 says they were never of us..

they did not just walk away. they denied christ.
 
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JohnB said:
I am encouraging others to do the same, keep a cooler in your car with snacks and drinks to help others. GOD rewards those actions. I guess you don't want people to help others.
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Typical response..

You should apologize He never suggested any thing of the sort.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
I just use the word of God

1 John 2 says they were never of us..

they did not just walk away. they denied christ.
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and we are supposed to judge between right and wrong.

possibly I misunderstood you, I thought you were talking about people you know/knew, if so John is not talking about anyone you know in particular... John is talking about people he had come across in his lifetime.

1 John 2:18-19, "Little children, it is the last hour. And as you have heard that the anti-messiah is coming, even now many anti-messiahs have come. This is how we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have stayed with us – but in order that it might be made manifest that none of them were of us.

Did you tell you they reject Yahshua? Or have a teaching better than His? Possibly I misunderstood you?
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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SpeakTruth101 said:
and we are supposed to judge between right and wrong.

possibly I misunderstood you, I thought you were talking about people you know/knew, if so John is not talking about anyone you know in particular... John is talking about people he had come across in his lifetime.

1 John 2:18-19, "Little children, it is the last hour. And as you have heard that the anti-messiah is coming, even now many anti-messiahs have come. This is how we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have stayed with us – but in order that it might be made manifest that none of them were of us.

Did you tell you they reject Yahshua? Or have a teaching better than His? Possibly I misunderstood you?
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He made a statment of fact

people who were of us. but left. and now deny Christ, were never of us..

They left to reveal the fact they were never of us, for if they were they never would have left.
 
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JohnB said:
I am encouraging others to do the same, keep a cooler in your car with snacks and drinks to help others. GOD rewards those actions. I guess you don't want people to help others.
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I can understand wanting to help. But there's a difference between helping and enabling. There are some people who really need help; and there are others who are simply looking for handouts so they can stay homeless and avoid responsibility. I don't believe we should go around handing out food and drink to people indiscriminately. We should support ministries that provide wholistic support to help people learn to help themselves. I also believe if they want something handed to them they should be willing to listen to a little preaching; it won't kill them and it may save their soul.

I was in a Walmart one time and I was getting some cash from an ATM. This young guy stood and watched me until I pulled the cash out and put it in my wallet. He comes up and asked if I could spare $5 so he could get something to drink. First of all, you don't need $5 for something to drink. You can get a large bottle of flavored water at Walmart for less than a $1. Second, you can easily get water free from any water hydrant. Third, if he was really desperate he would've said he was very thirsty and could I spare something so he could get a drink, not ask for $5. This guy was playin' me and it was obvious from the get-go.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
I can understand wanting to help. But there's a difference between helping and enabling. There are some people who really need help; and there are others who are simply looking for handouts so they can stay homeless and avoid responsibility. I don't believe we should go around handing out food and drink to people indiscriminately. We should support ministries that provide wholistic support to help people learn to help themselves. I also believe if they want something handed to them they should be willing to listen to a little preaching; it won't kill them and it may save their soul.

I was in a Walmart one time and I was getting some cash from an ATM. This young guy stood and watched me until I pulled the cash out and put it in my wallet. He comes up and asked if I could spare $5 so he could get something to drink. First of all, you don't need $5 for something to drink. You can get a large bottle of flavored water at Walmart for less than a $1. Second, you can easily get water free from any water hydrant. Third, if he was really desperate he would've said he was very thirsty and could I spare something so he could get a drink, not ask for $5. This guy was playin' me and it was obvious from the get-go.
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I had one come ask for some money so he could eat. I gave it to him, he went into the restaurant, back out and to the corner of the street to use my money to purchase drugs..

I now offer to take them in to buy them food.. Most say thank you but no thank you.. because they really do not want food..
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
He made a statment of fact

people who were of us. but left. and now deny Christ, were never of us..

They left to reveal the fact they were never of us, for if they were they never would have left.
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The people he is talking about left Yahshua not a church building, same thing I said at the beginning. Someone can leave a church and go to one they believe teaches more truth or be led by the spirit without a church building.

I had family member that used to go to a church with a famous leader, and they would always tell me this person left that person left, and they couldnt figure out why. and the church leader would always say "they fell away" and insinuate they were "faithless". a few years later my family members left because they found out the church leader ws crooked, like very very bad. Im sure he said the same about them when they left.

Not saying this is your experience, I have no clue of your experience, but my point remains, people can leave a church and not fall away. Moving, finding one they deem better, learning more truth, etc.

John was in the truth more than any "church" today, so people leaving their ekklesia was much different than leaving a church today.

I tried to fully explain, hope I worded it well.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
I had one come ask for some money so he could eat. I gave it to him, he went into the restaurant, back out and to the corner of the street to use my money to purchase drugs..

I now offer to take them in to buy them food.. Most say thank you but no thank you.. because they really do not want food..
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This is real. Ive seen this myself. I dont believe in giving money or anything to support destruction, that is not right at all.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
I can understand wanting to help. But there's a difference between helping and enabling. There are some people who really need help; and there are others who are simply looking for handouts so they can stay homeless and avoid responsibility. I don't believe we should go around handing out food and drink to people indiscriminately. We should support ministries that provide wholistic support to help people learn to help themselves. I also believe if they want something handed to them they should be willing to listen to a little preaching; it won't kill them and it may save their soul.

I was in a Walmart one time and I was getting some cash from an ATM. This young guy stood and watched me until I pulled the cash out and put it in my wallet. He comes up and asked if I could spare $5 so he could get something to drink. First of all, you don't need $5 for something to drink. You can get a large bottle of flavored water at Walmart for less than a $1. Second, you can easily get water free from any water hydrant. Third, if he was really desperate he would've said he was very thirsty and could I spare something so he could get a drink, not ask for $5. This guy was playin' me and it was obvious from the get-go.
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I don't give them money. Twice I've had homeless turn down the drink and snack. I just drive away.
 
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JohnB said:
What does it mean that we should not let our left hand know what our right hand is doing (Matthew 6:3–4)?
https://www.gotquestions.org/left-hand-know-right-hand-doing.html
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Jesus’ illustration of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing follows His serious condemnation of “hypocrites,” likely the Jewish religious leaders, in the previous verse: “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full” (Matthew 6:2). Jesus also refers to these hypocrites in Matthew 6:5 regarding prayer and Matthew 6:16 regarding fasting.
 
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