Baptism

If you look at the phrase you provided, water is not mentioned. It would be wrong to simply assume it was water immersion without other evidence.

You still have not stated plainly that baptism in the name of Jesus is NOT water.

You also haven't told me what the 3rd person singular is relating to.

There is plenty of evidence to support baptism in the name of Jesus is water. I'm hoping we can look at that evidence but I'm trying to understand why you won't say plainly baptism in the name of Jesus is NOT water unless you are not fully convinced that it isn't.

I will plainly state baptism in the name of Jesus IS water baptism.

It literally says repent and you will recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. And let everyone one you you be baptized for the remission of sin..

The gospel has been the same since adam, Faith in christ.

No work of righteousness has ever been needed to help anyone get saved it is by grace through faith.. even after.. not by works of righteousness which we have done but by his mercy

I disagree. I have never seen a single translation say that. It's always do A and B then receive C.
I talked with a member of the church who studied Greek in college. When I told him what you suggested he said that doesn't make any sense.
What does the 3rd person singular relate to??

If the gospel is the power of God for salvation, can you point to when it was first preached and those who believed it were saved like here?
So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.

I suggest the gospel of Christ(for forgiveness of sins) wasn't preached until the day of Pentecost.
Luke 24:47 and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

May I suggest you miss understand the relationship between works and faith.
The BIBLE says,
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.

your reading an english translation

I used to wolder about it myself. I could never answer the contradiction

until I finally dug deeper.

I pray you will dig like I did..

Thanks for the prayer but I've been digging into baptism for many years now. I'm very focused on it because it is how one is baptized into Christ. Since that is how one is added, Satan is doing his very best to confuse us.

May I respectfully suggest you're digging to find support what you believe. The bible was written on a level for us to understand it. There is no need to dig or consult a language major or theologian. Like Paul said, when you read you can understand my insight. You are the first person I've run across to claim baptism in the name of Jesus is NOT water. Even though you refuse to come out and say it that is what you're implying.

That logic doesn't even come close to working. For example,
In Acts 19, why would Paul ask believers if they have received the Holy Spirit if the HS baptizes at belief. When Paul finds out they hadn't receive the HS when they believed, why would he ask into what were they baptized if the HS does the baptizing upon belief. It shouldn't matter at all that they were water baptized if the HS does the baptizing at belief.

If Jesus didn't send out the apostles to water baptize in the name of, then why did they water baptize in the name of?
Acts 8:36 The eunuch asked Philip, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?
We know Philip water baptized in the name of Jesus by looking at the previous group he had just baptized.
8:16 for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

I'm sorry but you have been led astray. Please consider what the bible says as it is simply written.

The Jewish Roots of Christian Baptism
Taken from the School of Biblical and Jewish Studies
Jewish Awareness Ministries
Jewish Baptism was practiced long before the New Testament. The idea of dipping, plunging, or immersing comes from the Jewish word "taval". In the New Testament we have the Greek word "baptizo". They mean the same thing. Taval is used in 2Kings5 when Elisha told Naaman to "wash" or "dip" himself 7 times in the Jordan River.
The Hebrew word "Mikveh" refers to the place where the baptism is done. It is used in Gen 1:10 for "gathering together of the waters", in Exodus 7: 19 for "pools of water".
Leviticus 11 cites all the different land and sea creatures that are unclean.They are not to be eaten and their carcasses are not to be touched. To do so will cause the person to become ritually unclean. Chapters 12 through 15 explain how the children of Israel become unclean. Anyone touching an unclean person also becomes unclean. Verse 36 of Chapter 11 is a shining light amidst all this uncleaness. Nevertheless a fountain or pit, wherein there is plenty of water, shall be clean; The phrase " plenty of water" is the Hebrew word "mikveh". There came out of this passage a practice , and a tradition, and a teaching within Judaism that is Levitically biblical. If you had something that was unclean, you can take it to a fountain or pit wherein there was a body of water, you can wash it, and even though it might still have some germs or residue of the dead carcass, the item will become ritually clean before God.
The mikveh is used for ritual purification. The idea of the Mikveh and the idea of baptism is an outward expression of an inward truth. If you want to make something clean before God, it wasn't the water that made it clean before God. It was the persons obedience and desire to be ritually clean before God. Numerous mikvehs consisting of rectangular pools with steps have been excavated in and around the Temple. In modern Judaism it is common for mikvehs to be constructed in synagogues because water baptism is still a common practice in the Jewish religion. Mikvehs are used in Jewish conversions, before marriages, women's monthly cycles, to commemorate personal transitions, to mark changes or challenges, to combat illnesses, to prepare spiritually for the shabbat and Yom Kippur ( the day of Atonement), or before an ordination.
John the Baptist was preparing the people's hearts for the Messiah. He is crying out for them to get ready, for them to repent because the Messiah is coming. That is the reason why people were coming to him from all the regions about the Jordan and were baptized by him as they confessed their sins. The context of the mikveh had to do with ritual uncleaness. What they were doing in coming to John was getting ritually clean by confessing their sins ( their uncleaness )and repenting to get right with God because the Messiah was coming. The water did not cleanse them of their sins because salvation in both the old testament and the new testament era always comes by faith and so these actions did not bring them salvation, but their hearts were shown through their actions to prove their repentance. They ritually bathed just like it spoke of in Leviticus as the mikveh. In Matthew 3: 7-8, the fruit meet for repentance is some type of action, some type of outward evidence that you have a repentant heart and that is what the water baptism did. It showed outwardly, publicly what was going on in their hearts (on the inside ). That is similar to a believing Christian getting water baptized. Neither the water nor the action of getting baptized will save you. Salvation only comes through faith in Jesus Christ. What occurs in the process of salvation? 1) The person recognizes that he is a sinner, is unworthy, repents, and turns to God for forgiveness. 2) Through the process of preaching, Jesus and salvation through Him is revealed. When he believes, his sins are forgiven, and he receives the gift of the Holy Spirit which perfects his heart by filling it with love. When the motivation of your thoughts and actions is love for God first and love for everyone else second, you are walking in the Spirit and obeying the Spirit of the Law.

Really? Or is that just wishful thinking?

Thanks for the history. I have a basic understanding of water cleansing rituals in the old law. I'm sorry but I reject the conclusion this article is putting forth. There is a little truth but it's mostly false.

It mentions Naaman and that is an excellent example of how being baptized in the name of Jesus works. Was Naaman's baptism an outward showing of an inward truth? Did the action of him dipping in the Jordan seven times cleanse his leprosy? Was he cleansed before the seventh dip?

It would help if someone would point me to a verse(s), in the bible, that tell us baptism is an outward showing of an inward change. I personally have not found any. I do hear it from man, like the school of Biblical and Jewish Studies. This article also says that baptism cannot save you. The bible tells me just the opposite.
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Man says baptism is an outward expression of an inward truth. Bible says baptism is an appeal to God.
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Acts 2:38

"38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Go to the interlinear in which the Greek says the same

The Bible is NOT a textbook so you will not get a textbook answer. But when you see what happened in Acts 10 for example (in the home of Cornelius) it is obvious to all (other than those who are willfully blind) that because there was an inward change, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit. And because they received that gift, they were baptized. Only those who repent and believe (inward changes) receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Why not get a text book answer. The bible tells us very much about baptism. The bible tells us what baptism is and what it does. The bible says baptism is an appeal to God for a clear conscience.
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Do you know why Cornelius received the Holy Spirit directly unlike any other conversion before or after?

Doesn’t Peter say otherwise here:

“The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15‬:‭6‬-‭9‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/act.15.7-9.ESV

Doesn’t Peter say here that the apostles, elders, and the house of Cornelius all received the Holy Spirit in the same manner? The Greek “no“ in “no distinction” is a compound word “outhen”. It means “not one”. The Greek word kathos is translated ”just as”. It means “in the same manner”. So, doesn’t this say that the apostles, elders, and the house of Cornelius all received the Holy Spirit in the same manner with not one distinction between them?

The only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*

Sorry I haven't replied in a while, been busy.

You are correct. Peter says Cornelius received the HS just like they did on Pentecost. My question was, why is Cornelius's conversion different than any other conversion before or after and there are about 12 recorded conversions. When the apostles received the HS on Pentecost, they weren't being converted.

So my point/question is why is Corneluis's conversion different? I don't know if a lot of people have looked into it but God did it this way for a reason. Looking at the context makes it easy to understand why.

As I have stated many times before here a d elsewhere, there are only 2 recorded instances of the Holy Spirit failing unilaterally without the laying on of the apostle's hands; Acts 2 on the apostles themselves, and Acts 10 on Cornelius, a d in both cases it was as a sign from on high that it was the will of God to validate the event, and that event was the beginning of the church in Jerusalem with the Jews, and then in Caesarea with the Gentiles.

Water baptism does not save. There is a believer's water baptism where the believer outwardly shows that he dies with Christ when he goes under water, and is resurrected to a new birth when he comes up. I suspect that this is a new practice in this age but is not required. It is the baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit that saves, not water and not the person that gets baptized. The Father chooses and grants repentance, the Son erases sins through belief in Jesus' death for the forgiveness of sins, and the Holy Spirit perfects when the person is indwelled with the Holy Spirit of the Father and Son who fill our hearts with the divine love necessary to obey the Spirit of the Law upon which the letter of the law is based. In the Old Testament Jews got spiritually cleansed by getting baptized in mikvehs, which are pools of water. They are still used and many synagogues have them built in.

Look up mikvehs or ask any non-Christian Jew.

You are at odds with scripture


1 Peter 3:21

21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Acts 22:16

16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

It is the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

Not the death, and resurrection of Christ.

You cannot cut out the middle man.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.

1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Water baptism is part of the salvation plan of God for we have to identify with the man Christ Jesus in His death, burial, and resurrection, by repenting of our sins, being water baptized, and receiving the Spirit.

In the book of Acts Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans were all baptized in Jesus' name.

Jesus said He came in the Father's name.

The Son inherited the name Jesus from the Father.

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, which those are titles, and the name is singular.

The Bible says there is no other name under heaven whereby we are saved but the name Jesus.

Everything we do in word, and in deed, we are to do in the name of Jesus.

So we would baptize in the name Jesus.

Water baptism is to identify with Jesus' death for we are baptized in to His death.

The man Christ Jesus went through 3 steps, and obtained a glorified body, and eternal life, and we have to do the same by repenting of our sins, being water baptized, and receiving the Spirit.

The Bible says that water baptism does now save us by having a good conscious towards God.

It is strange people cannot understand the Bible and millions believe things that are not true.

It is like people that think that Jesus is sitting on a throne next to the Father.

But the Bible plainly states that there is one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne, not 2 thrones.

And it is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation.

Jesus said all power is given on to Him in heaven and earth.

There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

The man Christ Jesus is our mediator.

David said, the LORD said unto my Lord sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.

So Jesus being at the right hand of God is a temporary role.

The Bible says the Son must reign who is the man Christ Jesus until His enemies are conquered, and then the Son shall submit to the Father that God may be all in all.

Since the man Christ Jesus is the mediator He must reign until the saints are with Him, and His enemies are conquered.

So God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power, be at His right hand, until His enemies are conquered, and then the man Christ Jesus will submit to the Father, stop exercising the throne of power, stop being at the right hand, that God may be all in all.

The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus which He told Philip if he had seen Him then He has seen the Father, and the words that He speaks are not His own, but the Father that dwells in Him does the works.

There needs to be only one manifestation of God in heaven, not two, which Jesus is the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

But why don't people understand this for millions of people think Jesus is sitting on a throne next to the Father.

The Bible says God made Adam in His image.

The New Testament says Adam was made in the image of Christ.

The Word is a plan of God to come in the future in flesh, and without that plan He would of not created anything He created.

God had the plan to come in the future in flesh, and created Adam in that image which is an innocent nature in flesh.

So the Let us make man in our image has to include the man Christ Jesus for He is part of that image.

So this is speaking about God and the man Christ Jesus being the us.

But why don't people understand that.

And it is the same way with water baptism why can't they see it is part of the salvation plan of God, and why can't they see water baptism is to be done in Jesus' name.

People say there is no millennial reign of Christ, but the Bible says the LORD shall be King over all the earth, and in that day there shall be one LORD and His name one.

And the knowledge of the LORD shall cover the whole earth.

But when did this ever happen so there is a millennial reign on earth which the Bible says the heathen have to go to Jerusalem year after year to worship the LORD.

And it is talking about earth, and heathen there, which there is no heathen in heaven.,

It is strange all the things people belief and it is not true.

But I have done the same until I realized it was a wrong interpretation but some people will ignore scriptures because they believe their denomination what they say as they lay down a blue print of their beliefs, and they do not see red flags that contradict that belief.