So, then,
precious friend, you are
willing to obey the
first mention of
'good news to all'
without making excuses, for
disobeying it?:
the gospel to Cain and Abel!:
"bring the correct offering / be respected/accepted By God?
Amen.
Ive been reading this thread and becoming more confused with the more than one gospel position, I guess I dont understand.
Obviously Abel offering the sacrifice had no saving quality to it, so how is it good news unless its the figuratively pointing to Christ which it obviously is, but are not some here saying it is not? but then again even the offering of first fruits points to Christ and His resurrection.
What Im wanting to know from your perspective is does the act of obeying Gods commands in the Old testament equal salvation, does the following of the law equal reward from God or good news, or am I misunderstanding your meaning of Good news?
I suspect this question will be dodged for if you say yes, then you know Im going to ask why did the Lord Jesus need to die and suffer the horrible wrath of God, if there is another way for salvation to take place for us sinful men, aka another Gospel!
And if you say no Im going to ask how then is this good news its terrible news, they need the good news which is exactly what the Lord the apostles and Paul all provided which is the Good news of Jesus providing the way and giving all Salvation. Which the scriptures pointed to all along.
Also in reference to the kingdom of God, the Pharisee's wrongly understood this as an earthly kingdom, they were confused about the Lords hidden meanings when He said things like "My kingdom is not of this world" etc etc or "the kingdom is inside you" etc etc
In other Words the kingdom of God was a spiritual kingdom, it always has been when you read the scriptures with open spiritual eyes, for instance with open eyes when reading the Old testament it has Jesus Christ and the gospel all through them that's why Paul backs up what he says continually with Old testament scripture, and the kingdom Jesus was speaking of was not the millennial kingdom, that future kingdom where Israel will rule is an earthly kingdom, and is not the kingdom of God like unbelieving Israel were hoping for.
But in that earthly kingdom of Israel although like now people will be saved by the gospel, its not a physical kingdom that saves people, there will also be unsaved people there, people will die there, there will be sin there etc etc. So logically people cant be unsaved and be literally in the kingdom of God can they?
To me saying the gospel of the kingdom is a different gospel to Paul's gospel is accidently agreeing with the Pharisees who thought the kingdom of God was their coming earthly kingdom and salvation by following laws, I just mean try and re-read the gospel accounts from the mindset the Lord was talking about the kingdom of God as the heavenly kingdom, and it fits into the giant jigsaw picture scripture is, into one account that agrees with itself from Genesis to Revelation without contradiction.
I have a few more questions, but if you or anyone can clarify if someone can be saved without the cross and the shedding of blood for their sins please acknowledge it if it so and provide the how if you can?
For example can water baptism save the old testament saint is that good news?
I have to admit I stubbornly refuse to follow links you have provided, so I am in the dark but it would be greatly appreciated if you or someone can explain it as I'm getting more confused by reading this thread, or clarify what another gospel is if I've got the wrong end of the stick!