Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

That's an interesting take. I was actually trying to broaden your understanding. But as you have concluded that I am dishonest, I would also think that you would be disinclined to chat with one so dishonest. So I'll bid you grace and peace.

What you have said is what you believe is happening. Running well and then falling away is the point. See the parable of the seeds. Some took root only to be choked out later. Same thing happening here. It is the evidence that what they built their house on wasn't actually Christ.
Also, what is the law of faith?

That's an interesting take. I was actually trying to broaden your understanding. But as you have concluded that I am dishonest, I would also think that you would be disinclined to chat with one so dishonest. So I'll bid you grace and peace.

In regard to the parable of the seeds (sower) the seed that fell on the rocky soil did not have much earth; and immediately it sprang up because it had no depth of earth (it sprang up but no crop sprang up) and and because it had no root it withered away. (Mark 4:6) There was some motion and movement toward growth, unlike the seed that fell by the wayside, yet the condition changed from sprang up (although it did not yet reach it's desired goal) to withered away. New life is demonstrated by fruit. A plant that has no root and fails to produce fruit does not represent new life.

In regard to the seed that is sown among thorns, the person hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful, produces nothing, yields nothing. It was choked out before reaching its desired goal.
IN CONTRAST TO - the seed that fell on good soil, the person hears the word and understands it, who INDEED BEARS FRUIT with patience (perseverance) and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty. *All genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful. (Matthew 13:23)

He insists on not only being wrong, but being obnoxiously so - he seems unable to stop himself, Cameron143.

Says the guy incapable of defending his ignorance. You have no concern that you're lying to the readers, either.

He insists on not only being wrong, but being obnoxiously so - he seems unable to stop himself, Cameron143.

In regard to the parable of the seeds (sower) the seed that fell on the rocky soil did not have much earth; and immediately it sprang up because it had no depth of earth (it sprang up but no crop sprang up) and and because it had no root it withered away. (Mark 4:6) There was some motion and movement toward growth, unlike the seed that fell by the wayside, yet the condition changed from sprang up (although it did not yet reach it's desired goal) to withered away. New life is demonstrated by fruit. A plant that has no root and fails to produce fruit does not represent new life.

In regard to the seed that is sown among thorns, the person hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful, produces nothing, yields nothing. It was choked out before reaching its desired goal.
IN CONTRAST TO - the seed that fell on good soil, the person hears the word and understands it, who INDEED BEARS FRUIT with patience (perseverance) and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty. *All genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful. (Matthew 13:23)

It's not a problem for me. Love covers a multitude of sins. And we reap what we have sown. So God is just making me more sensitive to my own shortcomings.

Thanks for confirming my point and for making it obvious.

This is really good. No fruit is the difference.

Sometimes I read in a toaster, but never in a vacuum. I take my vacuum time very seriously.
John 6...Jesus is asked what the work of God is. Now could have answered anything. But what He did answer was that the work of God was to believe. What significance do you place on His answer?

"tickle my ears" "prophesy smooth things"

In John 6:29, Jesus said - "This is the work (singular) of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent," when He answered the Jews (who were taking a legalistic approach) when they asked, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works (plural) of God?"

So, by Jesus' play on words here, He was not implying that believing is just "another" work in a series of works in a quest to receive salvation by works. Also, through believing, we are completely trusting in "Another's work," (Christ's finished work of redemption). Through believing, Christ is the OBJECT of our (belief, trust, reliance) in receiving salvation. Good works which "follow" believing unto salvation are the fruit of salvation, but not the root of it.

In regard to Romans 14:23, being uncertain about eating a particular thing yet eating it anyway is not the unpardonable sin. That is ludicrous and is not what Paul meant by condemned here. Noticed that in multiple translations, verse 22 says "condemn himself, self-condemnation, judging himself, passing judgment on himself" etc.. so condemned in that sense but not condemned in hell.

Some people tend to get carried away with certain obscure passages of scripture. Scripture must harmonize with scripture. Jesus clearly drew the line in the sand on condemnation in John 3:18. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Not sure what that means. But can I offer a suggestion? For one who holds to a faith law that includes faith plus the practice of love, shouldn't you be exercising love towards those you address?

Paul said "I wish they would cut their penises off!" You guys are liars.

Already addressed this: heart conditions change ("become hardened by deceitfulness of sin"--the heart filled with deceit, ipso facto, rejects truth).

Answer for your ignorant lies.

You missed the heart of the issue. Unlike saving belief, shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away is not rooted in a regenerate heart. How can no depth of earth, no root, no moisture, no fruit, represent saving belief? It doesn't so there is no loss of salvation here. Also the same Greek word for believe "pisteuo" is used in James 2:19, in which we read that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved.

John has portrayed people who "believe" (at least to some extent) but are clearly not saved. There is a stage in the progress of belief in Jesus that "falls short of firmly rooted and established belief resulting in salvation." As we see in John 2:23-25, in which their belief was superficial in nature and Jesus would not entrust/commit Himself to them.

Also, in John 8:31-59, where the Jews who were said to have "believed in him" turn out to be slaves to sin, indifferent to the words of Jesus’, children of the devil, liars, accused Jesus of having a demon and were guilty of setting out to stone and kill the one they have professed to believe in. We can see at best, these Jews believed in Him (based on their own misconceptions and expectations) of Jesus, yet upon gaining further knowledge about Jesus through His words, we see they did not believe unto salvation and become children of God (John 1:12; 3:18) but were instead children of the devil.

In the case of the thorny ground hearer, the plant was never firmly rooted and established in which it could produce fruit (even though there was motion and movement toward becoming an established plant) but it was choked out before reaching its desired goal because the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful/bears no fruit, produces nothing. (Mark 4:19). The word is choked and therefore does not produce a renewed spiritual life in the person.

IN CONTRAST TO - Mark 4:8 - But other seed fell on good ground and yielded a crop that sprang up, increased and produced: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred. Luke 8:15 says, But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience. *Only the 4th soil produced crops of any size and was referred to as "good ground" and produced a crop (fruit) and there is no mention of choking or withering away afterwards.

Quite a reputation you've managed to build for yourself in just a few days. Imagine what the future holds.