Do our words carry the same power as God?

Call God on it then. He does still heal and do miracles today. Your problem is that you actually do not believe more than half of what is in scripture.

Just about everyone here is very familiar with your attacks on anything you think has even a hint of supernatural interaction.

God is Spirit. We, have spirits. And you have no use for the infilling of the Holy Spirit and have trashed that biblical truth many many times in the forum.

And you have no fear of doing so.

Nothing like countering one error with another. Book-ends.

The Bible makes no room for deliverance ministers. That is not a gift of the Holy Spirit. There is the gift of discerning of spirits but there is so much abuse, by so called deliverance ministers, that you are better off just to stay away.

However, we are not fighting against flesh and blood...but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Do you wrestle? People who do not wrestle are bothering the devil.

To stand firm is not just standing. That, involves putting on the armor of God.

I think you need to study the scripture without evading things that cause discomfort because you either do not obey or do not believe

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.

Of course if you do not think demons are still around, do you still need armor? You certainly do not have to wrestle. Sounds like disobedience to the word God has given to us.

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:7-10‬ ‭

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“the Father that dwelleth in me”

loke a man’s body and spirit make the man whole and complete the father dwelling in the son makes God complete in one person

“Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, But a body hast thou prepared me:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

body of Christ is where gods spirit dwells like a temple like humans our spirit lives inside our body the father is inside Jesus his life force his spirit

They aren’t two seperate people it’s a seperwte as a man’s spirit and his body when they come together you have a living man but if the body is without the spirit or spirit without the body you don’t have a full or complete person you have either a spirit or body

Jesus is god made flesh the god of heaven go in the ot sat on his throne and looked upon us all and saw we were lost and had no man to intercede and save us

“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke. So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.

And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD. As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:15-17, 19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this isn’t a different person or different lord gos speaking from heaven there it’s Jesus declaring he’s going to come and become the intercessor man didn’t have to save them he saw what we needed and he came and became what we needed a perfect man to be a high priest and intercede

a notice how he says there was intercessor no man worthy ? So he decided to come ? After Jesus ascended back to heaven we now have that intercessor we didnt have

“Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We now have that missing intercessor we now have an advocate not an accuser as before

See there above where god saw the issue of no intercessor for mans sin and decided to solve it for man ? We couldn’t be forgiven without this part

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When he looked down before remember he said th res no man to intercede for them there’s no truth or judgement therefore the lord put on garments and a helmet and he shall come and establish a covenant by the spirit that will never depart from his seeds mouths ( the gospel )

brother jesus is the full manifestation of God the father son and Holy Spirit in one individual person bodily he is god manifest in the form of a man

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In jesus is the father

the Father that dwelleth in me”

Son

“but these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”
‭‭John‬ ‭20:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And the Holy Spirit

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


there’s no other person who this is ever going to be true of because Jesus is The God of the universe who humbled himself and became a man in order to save mankind who he created he came into his creation as one of us in the gospel in order to save us and provide salvation then he returned to his glory from before the beginning after he created fornus a perfect high priest and intercessor

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gos is the father son and holy ghost in one person , our lord Jesus Christ who has revelaed himself in the gospel

It seems you are confused or assuming I believe certain things. I never once said we didn't have guidance on spiritual warfare or ever say demons are not still around.

But instead I was combatting false beliefs on spiritual warfare.

When we start to part from scripture we get off course brother scripture has and will always say the same thing because god has spoken to all of us and now it’s about who believes what Jesus had to say when he was revealed

“Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭NIV‬‬

The prophets and law witness the gospel beforehand , the epistles witness the gospel afterwards Gods doctrine is the word of Christ that he sent to all creatures and simply said “ preach this gospel . believe this gospel and be saved“

The Bible doesn’t require intellect and interpretation and addition it requires men to believe what’s written and it’s not easy to believe things always that you haven’t seen

The witness brother is going to always be the same witness that saved those early on as what saved us now we need to study and look deeper into what’s there and pray toninderersnd ejats written it’s forever that’s why the Bible stopped suddenly the apostles witness is what is meant to be heard in the world it’s why the Bible is a worldwide thing now no matter where bibles go there are at least a few who believe what’s written in it it’s gods witness of what he actually said not any man’s witness of what he said the men o wrote scripture were all wothout a doubt filled with the Holy Ghost they raised the dead healed the sick ect

We now all have heard and believed wha in the Bible to some extent beginning usually here this is written is why it’s still known correctly

“For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3-4‬ ‭NIV‬‬

can you imagine brother of God hadn’t caused his testimony to be written down what perverse message we’d hear 2000 years later and would have nothing to test thoughts against

scripture should be our boundary we need to better understand what there rather than parting from it

just my own thoughts however there’s a million others just as worthy to be considered ….

“Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭NIV‬‬

The word of god won’t change or part from what he spoke when he was here among man promising salvetion and eternal life if it’s not written the principle o mean we all use doffere t words to say the same things , but if the principle isn’t written we should t give it a lot of wieght if it’s not biblical Christian’s should he hyper skeptical and even just reject it outright

anyone of us actually understand what’s written fully is the issue not that it’s not there for us to learn we should be thankful we aren’t dependent on generations of man’s trustworthiness to carry doctrine instead god came up with the principle of having what he really said written down and preserved through the generations so people can hear it and be saved we should share it and discuss it but always remain somewhere within its understandings and never contradict them

Why is this attributed with to me? It's another's post.

If Paul truly didn't "go beyond what was written" there would be no 2nd Corinthians, Romans, Philemon, Colossians, etc.

Do you see how this is used incorrectly to say "God does not speak to people Spirit to spirit today"?

Sorry but I will hold to the majority of modern translations. For example,

Matt 8:28
New International Version
When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way.

New Living Translation
When Jesus arrived on the other side of the lake, in the region of the Gadarenes, two men who were possessed by demons met him. They came out of the tombs and were so violent that no one could go through that area.

English Standard Version
And when he came to the other side, to the country of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men met him, coming out of the tombs, so fierce that no one could pass that way.

Berean Standard Bible
When Jesus arrived on the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, He was met by two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs. They were so violent that no one could pass that way.

Berean Literal Bible
And He having come to the other side, to the region of the Gadarenes, two being possessed by demons met Him, coming forth out of the tombs, extremely violent, so that no one was able to pass by that way.

King James Bible
And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

New King James Version
When He had come to the other side, to the country of the Gergesenes, there met Him two demon-possessed men, coming out of the tombs, exceedingly fierce, so that no one could pass that way.

New American Standard Bible
And when He came to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men confronted Him as they were coming out of the tombs. They were so extremely violent that no one could pass by that way.

NASB 1995
When He came to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, two men who were demon-possessed met Him as they were coming out of the tombs. They were so extremely violent that no one could pass by that way.

Amplified Bible
When He arrived at the other side in the country of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming out of the tombs met Him. They were so extremely fierce and violent that no one could pass by that way.

Christian Standard Bible
When he had come to the other side, to the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men met him as they came out of the tombs. They were so violent that no one could pass that way.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
When He had come to the other side, to the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men met Him as they came out of the tombs. They were so violent that no one could pass that way.

American Standard Version
And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, there met him two possessed with demons, coming forth out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man could pass by that way.

English Revised Version
And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming forth out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man could pass by that way.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
When he arrived in the territory of the Gadarenes on the other side [of the Sea of Galilee], two men met him. They were possessed by demons and had come out of the tombs. No one could travel along that road because the men were so dangerous.

All of the scholars who worked on the majority of our translations have translated it as demon possession.

You are again assuming my beliefs. I do believe in demonic possession AND influince/temptation. My point all along has been that Christians can not be demonically possessed.

The source you mentioned was a chat room with people speaking from both sides and one person who you quoted listed a quote explaining how it may could he translated as oppression. But like I said most translations have possessed. Possessed better fits the context when you see like Matt 8:28 where the men had supernatural strength.

Probably just messed up the quoting tool. No big deal.

I haven't dismissed all teachings on the demonic just the Charismatic interpretation.

You say the Bible disagrees but that is your opinion. The facts will defend themselves. It's okay of you disagree. I guess you disagree, idk it has been difficult to follow with all the assumptions. I believe that I agree with you more than you realize but confusion may have you at odds. Either way, I prefer to just focus on the topic.

Maybe you should understand I hold to scripture alone as truth. So everything else must match what we see in scripture.

Definitely not the minority. That tells me that you are not current with the movement and how much it has grown.

But I agree God does still heal.

The men in Matthew 8:28 had demons living in them. The demons had apparently refused to leave until Jesus showed up. If that's not possession I don't know what would be. LOL Call it "demonized" or whatever you want; it's all just semantics. I recognize the difference between demon possession and demon oppression. The men in Matthew 8:28 were clearly possessed.

Really? The majority in Christianity? Your ignorance of the facts is alarming. You should stop making these sweeping statements.

I am without doubt far more informed of the topic than are you. You evidence your knowledge and I don't do that. I simply counter when I find such ill informed topics or statements such as you are making.

You seem to have no fear of saying whatever without being able to back it up. wof is not mainstream Christianity and it is actually a movement of some years now, within Pentecostalism

If I say the Bible disagrees, then that is so and I gave scripture to illustrate that fact.

You do not hold to scripture alone as truth as you have proven with your opinions

Are you very young in the faith? Pardon me, but it sounds as though you are...no offence intended

There are many sources. And many errors in modern translations. I know what the translations say and if you actually were a scholar of Greek you would disagree with them.

Most people are not Christians. If I conclude a belief from that type of statement, as the method you use to confirm supposed truth of your opinions, then I would conclude Christians are wrong.

Honestly, you really do not know how to do actual research.

Hello! It's not completely scientific but if you were to investigate social media, the number of views and likes of televangelists/ speakers who claim outrageous things and compare that to more biblical sound teachers, you would perhaps come to the conclusion that the extreme and un-biblical is the mainstream now. The days of itching ears and people seeking teachers who will say whatever they want to hear. God Bless You

Why won't you deal with the scripture from Ephesians that I posted a few posts back? You say you only use scripture as your source
then let's discuss why you refuse the instructions given in Ephesians and while we are at, kindly show from scripture any verse or passage that indicates the demons/devil cannot be in the vicinity of the Spirit of God

Get serious and deal with the reality of scripture and not your opinions confirmed by what you call research that concludes with your own opinions

Don't even respond if you cannot address putting on the armor, the reason for it and why Paul tells us we are wrestling with evil powers. According to you, none of that is necessary......demons are powerless and we just do nothing. Nope.

No. They are just making the most noise. And you are right. Not at all scientific. You have to understand the participation of individuals that is encouraged by certain groups while mainstream (and sorry quite ineffective) Christianity just brings their Bible to church and does not get on social media and give praise to God.

Does it occur to you that people who just sit in a building on Sunday also have those itching ears? Saved and satisfied and doing nothing to further the kingdom of God. They are the other side of the wof coin and a bigger side too I might add

Hey ~ God bless you too

Here are some hard facts:

About 8.3% of the entire worlds population is Pentecostal or Charismatic....not the overwhelming majority as being expressed here

About 15.3% is Baptist.....not wof or nar or whatever else

And then we also have Lutherans, more than 200 denoms of others in the US alone, etc

I don't have all day (in fact should be working right now so will get back to it) to inform y'all of the huge numbers of believers or say they are believers, that are NOT wof, nar or other flavors of Pentecostalism

So when someone goes off and makes all these declarations such as have been made in this thread, it behooves a person who actually does research to intervene and make plain the fact this thread is shot full of error and not much good for reproof at all

back to work then

Hello! Thanks for the reply.

They certainly are. I was surprised to discover how many Christians I knew from various denominations were listening to music from sources such as Hillsong, Elevation or Bethel. Worship music contains teaching and Theology, dodgy lyrics and the feeling of Euphoria gained through loud and exuberant music which reduces inhibitions can lead people down the wrong path. I knew a Baptist who was wary of the 'NAR' but who's favorite music came from Bethel! Some folks attend a 'cessationist' church and get into the car home to listen to Elevation or Hillsong. Their teachings creep into virtually every church, through a variety of paths, music being one, hence the billions of hits these groups and churches get on the internet. Every hit gives momentum and revenue to the WOF and NAR.

I attended a cousin's funeral last year, she being a Roman Catholic and two of the songs were from the above.

Like it or not I'm thinking that this stuff is in the mainstream now. In the days of itching ears WOF/ NAR are making a lot of noise. God Bless You