What is the difference between Evangelicals and Protestants?

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Eastern Orthodox ? While they are considered a third branch of Christianity they seem to have kept it quiet.
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No Eastern Orthodox were very similar to the RCC in teaching. Most of these kind of churches I mean got nick named 'ana-baptist'. They didn't have that name for themselves, without denominational names. They were given names according to main leaders in their groups. Not all ana-baptists were sound in the faith, but among them were groups that stuck to a pure faith before the RCC and the Reformers.
 
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I believe we are living in and witnessiing the great apostasy. Ironically, not only from truth, but even error. Even cults are watering down their doctrine. Catholics used to teach its ONLY our church and nothing else, now the pope is letting atheists into heaven as well if theyh are "goood people"
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Yes, time to pray and pray hard for spiritual revival to take place throughout the world - it sure needs it!
 
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It is my understanding that some Protestants and most Baptists dropped the ball when Calvin came along and said evangelism is not necessary because God had already preselected who would go to Heaven and who would go to Hell. Those who wanted to distance themselves from Calvinism brought back evangelism and called themselves Evangelicals.
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Calivinists have been some of the most evangelistic in history. You need a refresher.
 
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wattie said:
Interesting in church history there are groups of Christianity that go way way back that don't identify as Catholic or Protestant. They were around before Catholicism and didn't need to reform. They helped some of the reformers but weren't reforming their own teaching.
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Please tell me about "The Trail of Blood."
 
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Please tell me about "The Trail of Blood."
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Well the Trail of Blood booklet by J.M.Carroll is a short summary of real history. It gets a bad wrap, but there are other much more exhaustive texts that elaborate on this real history. An example is My Church by J.M. Moody and the Battle for Baptist History by I.K.Cross.

A big issue is that most of church history is written by the persecutors themselves, so what they label as 'heretic' could be in some cases just straight out biblical doctrine. An example of this is baptism for believers only by immersion. That is dead on straight with the bible.. but is definitely not a practice of the RCC or for that matter many protestant denominations such as Anglicans and liberal Methodists. And these are the kind of people that have written the church history.
 
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Well the Trail of Blood booklet by J.M.Carroll is a short summary of real history. It gets a bad wrap, but there are other much more exhaustive texts that elaborate on this real history. An example is My Church by J.M. Moody and the Battle for Baptist History by I.K.Cross.

A big issue is that most of church history is written by the persecutors themselves, so what they label as 'heretic' could be in some cases just straight out biblical doctrine. An example of this is baptism for believers only by immersion. That is dead on straight with the bible.. but is definitely not a practice of the RCC or for that matter many protestant denominations such as Anglicans and liberal Methodists. And these are the kind of people that have written the church history.
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My reply was actually sarcasm. If you have to latch onto every heretical group in history to complete your trail, you're doing it wrong.
 
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My reply was actually sarcasm. If you have to latch onto every heretical group in history to complete your trail, you're doing it wrong.
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And take seriously those who would cut the bible into shreds? That is what happens when you try and baptise babies and sprinkle instead of baptism by immersion.

Anyway.. I'll reply to you no furthermore
 
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For many years main stream Christian churches were called Protestant as a distinction from Catholicism. Today these churches call themselves Evangelicals.

Is this change due to a realigning of values and subsequent blurring of the original doctrines of the early Reformers?
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As of 2016, there were an estimated 619 million evangelicals in the world, meaning that one in four Christians would be classified as evangelical. The United States has the largest proportion of evangelicals in the world. American evangelicals are a quarter of that nation's population and its single largest religious group. As a transdenominational coalition, evangelicals can be found in nearly every Protestant denomination and tradition, particularly within the Reformed (Continental Reformed, Presbyterian, Congregational), Plymouth Brethren, Baptist, Methodist (Wesleyan–Arminian), Lutheran, Moravian, Free Church, Mennonite, Quaker, Pentecostal/charismatic and non-denominational churches. (wiki.evangelical)
 
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As of 2016, there were an estimated 619 million evangelicals in the world, meaning that one in four Christians would be classified as evangelical.
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Statistics about spiritual matters must be taken with some reservation. And 2016 was a long time ago.
 
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RC Brock states:

"A mighty revival would take place if Christians would get back to Pauline truth.":

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Still praying - Amen.
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I agree. There are many professing Christians who aren't willing to accept the scriptures as being 100% correct. There are worldly Christians too, who have some sincerity in following God - but whose lives need to be purged completely from sin, through repenting, and turning away from their sins, prayerfully and to the best of their ability. God doesn't hear the prayers of people who haven't fully surrendered themselves to God yet. Hanging onto any sin, results in useless prayers, as God doesn't listen to such prayers, the Bible says.
 
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Please tell me about "The Trail of Blood."
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The Trail of Blood is not accurate history at all, as baptists of today would consider the donatists and paulicians to be work salvationist heretics.

The fact is that the baptist churches are just not-historic at all, doesn't mean they arent right, but definitely nothing historic about em. No protestant denomination has any history behind it.

The catholic and orthodox do, but what kind of history? History of mixing in paganism to Christianity, history of infant baptism, veneration of saints and mary and other hocus pocus.

Whats my point? Who cares if there is a "direct line" of churches or something, lets just believe the Bible and stick with that
 
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And take seriously those who would cut the bible into shreds? That is what happens when you try and baptise babies and sprinkle instead of baptism by immersion.

Anyway.. I'll reply to you no furthermore
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Nothing wrong with sprinkling, although I prefer pouring for the symbolism.
 
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The Trail of Blood is not accurate history at all, as baptists of today would consider the donatists and paulicians to be work salvationist heretics.

The fact is that the baptist churches are just not-historic at all, doesn't mean they arent right, but definitely nothing historic about em. No protestant denomination has any history behind it.

The catholic and orthodox do, but what kind of history? History of mixing in paganism to Christianity, history of infant baptism, veneration of saints and mary and other hocus pocus.

Whats my point? Who cares if there is a "direct line" of churches or something, lets just believe the Bible and stick with that
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For whatever reason, it's important to some that there be a continuous church through history that did not include the Catholic church.
Paganism mixed is definitely a problem, but there's nothing wrong with infant baptism. Hebrews talks about heroes of the faith, but the Catholic church definitely took that too far.
 
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The Trail of Blood is not accurate history at all, as baptists of today would consider the donatists and paulicians to be work salvationist heretics.

The fact is that the baptist churches are just not-historic at all, doesn't mean they arent right, but definitely nothing historic about em. No protestant denomination has any history behind it.

The catholic and orthodox do, but what kind of history? History of mixing in paganism to Christianity, history of infant baptism, veneration of saints and mary and other hocus pocus.

Whats my point? Who cares if there is a "direct line" of churches or something, lets just believe the Bible and stick with that
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There are other books that elaborate on the Trail of Blood booklet history far more in depth. By itself it is too short and misses alot.. with the other books you do see the real history.
 
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