Israel Declares War

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ZNP

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Amen, Please don't be silent! Do not put the light under a bushel basket! We are the salt of the earth, please tell the world about the Antichrist, about the Beast system. Please share the gospel of being saved by the blood of the lamb. Amen.
 

ZNP

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Dispensationalists are anticipating the death and destruction of the inhabitants of the country of Israel, seems far more antisemitic to me.
They are anticipating God's Holy and righteous judgement on the earth, on sin, and on the world. They are also anticipating the Lord's salvation to all those who believe and have put their trust in Him. They are also anticipating a new heaven and new earth where righteousness dwells.
 

ZNP

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What is the point of this?
The point is that "from the river to the sea" is only stage one, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood has a goal to eradicate the world of all Jews, not just the Holy land.
 

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Amen, Please don't be silent! Do not put the light under a bushel basket! We are the salt of the earth, please tell the world about the Antichrist, about the Beast system. Please share the gospel of being saved by the blood of the lamb. Amen.
The actual good news is HE is HERE reigning from heaven, so yes I will spread the Gospel

As for the eschatological/prophetic beast system in the works, I will pass, I see no biblical truth in present day newspaper prophecy.
 

ZNP

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The actual good news is HE is HERE reigning from heaven, so yes I will spread the Gospel

As for the eschatological/prophetic beast system in the works, I will pass, I see no biblical truth in present day newspaper prophecy.
Wow, what newspaper is calling Elon Musk's neuralink part of the Beast system? I thought that was only in the Bible. Please share a link.
 

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The point is that "from the river to the sea" is only stage one, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood has a goal to eradicate the world of all Jews, not just the Holy land.
Rhetoric without power, next.
 

HeIsHere

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Wow, what newspaper is calling Elon Musk's neuralink part of the Beast system? I thought that was only in the Bible. Please share a link.
Yeah, remember when Mondex was the mark, lol.
 

ZNP

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Rhetoric without power, next.
Psalm 83 --> Ezekiel 38 --> Armageddon

1Corinthians 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
 

PennEd

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Dispensationalists are anticipating the death and destruction of the inhabitants of the country of Israel, seems far more antisemitic to me.
Daniel and Jeremiah anticipated the destruction of Israel by the Babylonians because of God’s word. Although they wouldn’t have dreamed of aiding, rooting for, or happy that the enemy of the Jews would triumph for a time. Does that make them antisemetic?

ALWAYS , ultimately turns out very bad for those that aren’t on the Jews side.
 

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Daniel and Jeremiah anticipated the destruction of Israel by the Babylonians because of God’s word. Although they wouldn’t have dreamed of aiding, rooting for, or happy that the enemy of the Jews would triumph for a time. Does that make them antisemetic?

ALWAYS , ultimately turns out very bad for those that aren’t on the Jews side.

So are you saying that the Jews are given carte blanche and we support them even when they commit atrocities?

Can you tell me who are the modern day Daniels and Jeremiahs?
 

ZNP

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Daniel and Jeremiah anticipated the destruction of Israel by the Babylonians because of God’s word. Although they wouldn’t have dreamed of aiding, rooting for, or happy that the enemy of the Jews would triumph for a time. Does that make them antisemetic?

ALWAYS , ultimately turns out very bad for those that aren’t on the Jews side.
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. The three biggest topics in the Bible:

1. God

2. Salvation

3. Israel

These three are mentioned much more than the church, prayer or the cross.

If you believe the Bible is the word of God and reveals the heart of God then you believe that Israel is very close to God's heart. If you don't believe Israel is close to God's heart then you are lying if you say you believe the Bible is the word of God.

GAZA, IRAN, JERUSALEM, ARMAGEDDON, WW III & GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE OF PROMISE THE JEWS OF ISRAEL

 

ZNP

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God has devoted 79% of the Bible to Israel's origin, calling, chastisement, return, and future troubles that engulf the whole world.

Think of faith as a seed. We saw that seed in Abraham and 2,000 years later the plant that grew was Israel and the flower it brought forth was Jesus. that resulted in the seeds being blown to the ends of the earth, and 2,000 years later the plant that grew was the church and the flower the church brings forth are the overcomers.
 

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So many passages that refute this Grace & promise to the Jews
Why don't you read and study Isaiah, Ezekiel, and many of the other prophets who spoke of the redemption and restoration of Israel under Christ. And why don't you just go to Romans 11 in the NT?

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers'
[patriarchs'] sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
 

PennEd

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So are you saying that the Jews are given carte blanche and we support them even when they commit atrocities?

Can you tell me who are the modern day Daniels and Jeremiahs?
Straight up.

Does Israel have a right to exist as a nation, a place that Jews worldwide can go and call home?
 

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Russia carried out an unprovoked attacked in Ukraine and Russia well destroy itself from within because of it.


Israel is a bastard state and will lose.


God speaks out against His chosen---
Ezekiel
Chapter 21
1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face toward Jerusalem, and drop thy word toward the holy places, and prophesy against the land of Israel,

3 And say to the land of Israel, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I am against thee, and will draw forth my sword out of his sheath, and will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked.

22 At his right hand was the divination for Jerusalem, to appoint captains, to open the mouth in the slaughter, to lift up the voice with shouting, to appoint battering rams against the gates, to cast a mount, and to build a fort.

23 And it shall be unto them as a false divination in their sight, to them that have sworn oaths: but he will call to remembrance the iniquity, that they may be taken.

24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand.

25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.

28 And thou, son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning the Ammonites, and concerning their reproach; even say thou, The sword, the sword is drawn: for the slaughter it is furbished, to consume because of the glittering:

29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.

30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.

31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.

32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.
The door of grace remains open to Jews........yet you going to live your life being outraged about it?

I'm sure Paul was thrilled about the whole thing. Along with every saved Jew up to the present day.
 

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Going, going, going.,,,.,.,.,.,,,gone, never to be remembered again.
On the contrary God is very clear stating that he will never forget or forsake the Jews, the people He foknew. Or His promises to Abraham.

Read Zechariah 12:10. And understand that the Jews will be there for the Second Coming.
Their eternal priestly service will be the result of the tribulation.
 

PennEd

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I’m sure the amils can show a massive list of Jewish atrocities against Christians,

From the article: All recent.


  • Three Muslims abduct and violently rape a 16-year-old Christian girl in Pakistan.
  • In another attack in the same country, this time on a 15-year-old Christian girl, four men abduct her “at gunpoint” and “gang-raped” her.
  • In Nigeria, Muslims including the employees of a college “abducted and forcibly converted” to Islam a 20-year-old Christian college student.
  • There’s even a “well-financed campus group called the ‘Council of Muslim Sisters,'” which routinely “forcibly” converts students to Islam.
  • In Egypt, an asylum seeker from Yemen has been jailed for nearly two years for “exercising his rights to freedom of expression, conscience and belief.”
  • In Uganda, Sula Mugudi, 70, and his wife, Aisha, 62, returned from church to find their modest home destroyed – by their own relatives – because they were “an embarrassment to our Muslim family.”
  • In the Congo, Muslims slaughtered 39 Christians, including 12 children, in a series of attacks.
 

Yahshua

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Aren't saved people one people already...the new creation in Christ? No Greek or Jew? Only the new humanity?
We "call those things that are not as though they are" (i.e., we have faith in it) until it's *realized*...but until then scripture must be fulfilled as written, wedont get to force God's hand. Surely with over 4k denominations and even evidenced by the arguments here we are not yet one.