The Security Of The Believer

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Everlasting-Grace

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Don't sweat it, they hate the fact Verse 27 is a must thing happening for Verse 28 to be fulfilled.

Also, when Jesus said My Sheep HEAR and they FOLLOW, shows 2 Action Verbs, that we must be doing.

This is what happens when people single out 1 Verse and cherry pick it for an unbiblical doctrine.
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Like you do consistently?

as for 27 and 28?

verse 27 says My sheepI know who they are. it does not say he may know them, It says HE DOES KNOW THEM.

Then it says THEY FOLLOW again it does not say they may follow or they may not follow. It says THEY DO FOLLOw

Then it says
vs 28 he says That these sheep WHO HE KNOWS. And who WILL FOLLOW HIM, That he gives THEM eTERNAL lIFE. Not that he might give it to them, or that they earned it, But because they are his sheep.


Then it says they shall NEVER PERISH (Not that they may not perish, or they will nto perish as long as they do or do not do something) Nor shall ANYONE (last I heard, I am a someone as are you) can snatch them, HIS SHEEP out of his hand.

And you skipped VS 26 why would you do this?

YOU DO NOT BELIEVE.

You can;t get out of your own way to save you
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
To use Verse 28 for a Doctrine means you must remove Verse 27 from existing.

So, they are removing Scripture in order to have their Doctrine.

They have to eliminate the truth in order to propose the idealism they follow.

Just think about that for a moment.
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Nope. They go perfectly together.

They are describing what God has done for his sheep,. And why they do.

A sheep follows his shepherd. If he does not follow him, Ity is not his sheep.
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
^ that is called willfully ignoring the Truth.

wonder how God views that?

isn't that the WORK of EVIL, to remove the Verses of Truth in order to live by a man made idealism?

Matthew 7:
22. Many will say to me in that day, 'My Lord, my Lord, have we not prophesied in your name, and in your name have cast out demons, and have done many mighty works in your name?'
23. And then I will confess to them, 'I have never known you, remove yourselves far from me, you workers of evil.'
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Willfully ignoring?

Matt 7 is speaking to people who think they are right with God because of their works.

Who does this speak of??
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
this is a debate forum, first, and foremost.

never forget that.

this ain't no Church.

we already know we're Family here.

we debate the facts here.

no matter how you present the facts, people, only can accept them if they listen to the Spirit of God.
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Lol

You say as you ignore someone who is trying to debate with you.

If you could only see yourself.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
they might present a Doctrine that does not align with the Bible, but READ THEIR POSTS.
they're still repenting Daily, for the most part.
that's the key to remaining in God.
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Please show us where Jesus said to repent daily

You keep making this up. Yet you have refused to show where Jesus spoke these words.. And made it a requirment to be saved
 
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why do you continue?
you have been proven to be a liar at least 6 times now.
do you have no shame being a Liar?
 
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i am beginning to think you have multiple personalities.
you run your mouth, i present Scripture, you disappear.
then a couple hours later return and do the exact same thing again.
this has now been repeated at least 7 times.
don't you understand the definition of insanity is doing the exact thing over and over and over thinking the results will finally change?
 
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His sheep follow their Shepherd because they trust Him, and believe that He cares for them, and He loves them.


And they love Him.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
why do you continue?
you have been proven to be a liar at least 6 times now.
do you have no shame being a Liar?
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You proof is pretty lacking

Once again, Show us where jesus said “repent daily”

and show where it is required to be saved.

You’re the one refusing to answer. Not me.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
i am beginning to think you have multiple personalities.
you run your mouth, i present Scripture, you disappear.
then a couple hours later return and do the exact same thing again.
this has now been repeated at least 7 times.
don't you understand the definition of insanity is doing the exact thing over and over and over thinking the results will finally change?
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You present scripture.

I counter your scripture.

I think ask you questions you refuse to answer.

Yet I am the one who is Insane?

You want to debate. Lets debate.

Show me the words of Jesus where he said REPENT daily.

I am not th eone hiding. I may walk away, eat, Talk to others. Sleep

But then I come back and still no answer. And the same ld accusations

what do you expect me to do? Go way?

You can stop it right here by showing the room the words. REPENT DAILY
 
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Mem said:
His sheep follow their Shepherd because they trust Him, and believe that He cares for them, and He loves them.


And they love Him.
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Amen!

They may ruin away because they are stupid (anyone who knws sheep knows they are not very smart)

But when the shepherd comes. They always follow him
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
You proof is pretty lacking

Once again, Show us where jesus said “repent daily”

and show where it is required to be saved.

You’re the one refusing to answer. Not me.
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if i need to remind you:
YOU said, there was no individual sin in the Old Testament...i proved you to FALSE.
YOU did not even know the term from Repentance was used in the Old Testament, i provided 5 Scriptures.
YOU did not even know the definition of Repentance...multiple people showed you.
but the best one of all of them [i will not mention the rest] was: if the Jews knew Jesus was God they would have never Killed Him:

so, i presented this:

60. The High Priest stood up in the center and asked Yeshua, and he said, "Do you not answer? Why are these testifying against you?"
61. But he was silent, and he did not answer him anything. And again, The High Priest asked him and said, "Are you The Messiah, The Son of The Blessed One?"
62. But Yeshua said to him, "I AM THE LIVING GOD, and you shall behold The Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of Heaven."

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they not only KNEW Jesus was God, but, STILL KILLED HIM!!


YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THE BASICS OF THE BIBLE AND YET, I AM TO ACCEPT THAT SOME HOW YOU NOW THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THIS BALONEY DOCTRINE YOU PRESENT?


it would take someone literally INSANE to think you know what you're talking about!
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
Amen!

They may ruin away because they are stupid (anyone who knws sheep knows they are not very smart)

But when the shepherd comes. They always follow him
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He knows them, and they him and stupid as they are, they are at least smart enough not to follow another.

I do wonder what that would look like in a sheepfold. Although they may stray on their own, if I showed up and tried to lead them astray, I'd like to see how that'd work out.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
if i need to remind you:
YOU said, there was no individual sin in the Old Testament...i proved you to FALSE.
YOU did not even know the term from Repentance was used in the Old Testament, i provided 5 Scriptures.
YOU did not even know the definition of Repentance...multiple people showed you.
but the best one of all of them [i will not mention the rest] was: if the Jews knew Jesus was God they would have never Killed Him:

so, i presented this:

60. The High Priest stood up in the center and asked Yeshua, and he said, "Do you not answer? Why are these testifying against you?"
61. But he was silent, and he did not answer him anything. And again, The High Priest asked him and said, "Are you The Messiah, The Son of The Blessed One?"
62. But Yeshua said to him, "I AM THE LIVING GOD, and you shall behold The Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of Heaven."

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they not only KNEW Jesus was God, but, STILL KILLED HIM!!


YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THE BASICS OF THE BIBLE AND YET, I AM TO ACCEPT THAT SOME HOW YOU NOW THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THIS BALONEY DOCTRINE YOU PRESENT?


it would take someone literally INSANE to think you know what you're talking about!
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You still have not shown where Jesus said repent daily

and you did not prove me wrong, you posted a passage that said turn away.. it was to the nation. Not induviduals

its all good. You can’t where Jesus said it because he did Not

if he did you would show everyone here
 
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so, you think those who posted the Lord's Prayer to you, other than myself, is also lying about what Jesus Commanded?

i knew you could not stop.
you have issues with the truth and it must've eaten a hole right through you until you had no choice but to log back in and address me.
i told you, i got paid and trained to understand the habits of people, by the usa Government, to which many here pay taxes to :cool:
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
You still have not shown where Jesus said repent daily

and you did not prove me wrong, you posted a passage that said turn away.. it was to the nation. Not induviduals

its all good. You can’t where Jesus said it because he did Not

if he did you would show everyone here
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Hi. :) How about this verse? Will it do?

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

- 1 John 1:8-10 (KJV)
 
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selahsays said:
Hi. :) How about this verse? Will it do?

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

- 1 John 1:8-10 (KJV)
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1. Jesus did not say it
2. it says confess not repent. Hugely different words. One is a person stating a sin he commited openly. The other is a person changing his mind about a si.
3l it does not say daily
 
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