The right why to learn

no reply may also mean no one finds it useful to listen to you.

if you please, who is "we" ?

We'ners always come in packs, sometimes more sometimes less, but there are usually 8.

and yet, in this country, the rolls you put them on come in packs of ten.

Yes, the bakery department needs to get with the deli department and reconcile their differences. A compromission of nine packs would be ideal.

why can't we just get them in a kit that contains we'ners and buns all in one?

nobody likes soggy buns.

We are a group you you would never understand. Our leader is HaShem, He leads us through by means of His Spirit.

Sir, it might be of interest to you that there's a letter written about your subject in the New covenant/ testament.

Galations

I hope this helps answer your questions.

i see. sorry you feel that way. is there anyone here, do you think, who will understand you (plural) ?

As we move foreword we must look at Yeshua. Now I know everyone wants me to strat at the place they pick, sorry not going to. You see as we have learned everything in scripture has as it's foundation the Torah. Even Yeshua, His sacrifice, and way He lived His life are found there. Though some do wish to use Yeshua as a way to show that HaShem changed Him mind after finding that his first plan for salvation failed. They fail to make note of how Rev. 13:8, clearly notes this isn't true. As it reads in the KJV, "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. "
So let's get started.

Gen 3:15And I will cause hostility between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring. He will strike your head, and you will strike his heel."

Knowing that we as humans are a long way from knowing everything about the Word, we should always be willing to look at, and test all things. This passage has for as long as I know been seen as a prophetic statement. One that clearly points to Yeshua. As we know, (or should) Yeshua dealt a blow to Satan when He so freely gave His life for our sin. Yet as we will show later, the battle is not over.

Passover also gives a a rather vivid picture of Yeshua. One of our people shared a story with us, (please note there is no evidence, yet it is interesting.) In this story, we are told how the first passover lambs were cooked. So let's go to the Word and follow his story in the way it was presented. Oh for any that wish to show how you simply have no need to show the discipline Yeshua lived in his life, you will note that I will not bother to reply. After all, who is the biggest fool, the one that says foolish things, or the one willing to engage in a foolish argument?
Exo 12:7They are to take some of the blood and smear it on the sides and top of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the animal.
As everyone understands the blood of Yeshua was shed for the remission of sin. It covers our sin, and washes us clean. Well until we sin again, then we must seek forgiveness after the fact.

Exo 12:8That same night they must roast the meat over a fire and eat it along with bitter salad greens and bread made without yeast.

This is where it gets interesting. According to our friend, the way the lamb was cooked was a clear picture of the suffering Yeshua took on Himself. The lamb was placed on a stick, with one going across to hold open the cest for even cooking. Then it was lended at around a 45 degree angel over the fire. For anythat don't see it, the sticks used to cook the lamb would form a cross, and the lamb was then hung over the fire on it. Again feel free to try to make your self look silly by mocking anything you don't understand. Yet as we can see, Passover is a clear picture of Yeshua in every detail. From His sacrifice, to His blood. More to follow.

It might if I had asked any.

is asking no questions the right way to learn?

One can give many ideas as to Yeshua, however if they can't give prof of who He is they have little hope of truly knowing Him. So in this post we will be looking at said prof, in order to look at just why we should know He is the Redeemer.
Isa 7:14 All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means 'God is with us').
As we know this did come about through Marry.
Mat 1:23 “Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel, which means ‘God is with us.’”
Luk 1:34Mary asked the angel, “But how can this happen? I am a virgin.”
I have heard one person say marry wasn't a virgin, they claim that in the time of Marry, it was common for all women to go out and seek sexual pleasure. However as we all should know that isn't true. This can be seen in the way a man was to keep their honeymoon bed sheet, as a witness to her virginity. If a man didn't find blood on the sheet, she wasn't a virgin and she would be returned to her parents, with the sheet as prof to way. However should anyone make the claim that she wasn't, the blood on the sheet would stand as witness to fact that she was. Making it hard to say Yeshua was not born of a virgin.
Mic 5:2But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, are only a small village among all the people of Judah. Yet a ruler of Israel will come from you, one whose origins are from the distant past.
Mat 2:1Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the reign of King Herod. About that time some wise men from eastern lands arrived in Jerusalem, asking,
So we know he was born in Bethlehem, and has fulfilled 2 prophecy's written of Him.
Isa 53:5But he was pierced for our rebellion, crushed for our sins. He was beaten so we could be whole. He was whipped so we could be healed.
John chapter 19 gives a full discripsion of the way Yeshua was beat, and ridiculed, in fulfillment of prophecy.
Mat 12:40For as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish for three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.
Here we need to understand that Yeshua was sacrificed on a Wednesday. Not on Friday. After all if He was in the ground 3 days and nights, Friday would make this unfulfilled. As we count them out Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, we find 3 days. As He was placed in the tomb on Wednesday night, we have only Thursday, and Friday night to go. Here is how it works.
In that time, and even today the Jewish day starts at sunset. This comes from Gen. chapter 1. The Evening and the morning are the first day and so on. If HaShem seen the day starting at sunset, why should we try to rethink it, when we are looking at scripture? So Yeshua would have heard the voice of HaShem say, get up your job isn't done yet. Ok that was just my way of seeing it. Still the odds are good that HaShem spoke the words, and Yeshua got up and walked out. Just we had seen with Lazarus.
Now that we can see the evidance of Who Yeshua is, we will next look at his person, and spirit. Enjoy.

Who do you say He is?

your post avoids saying who He is.

One of the hardest things for most to understand is that in Yeshua we have the person, and the Spirit. As with all of man kind we hold in our self, (if we are true beliveres) 3 things. We hold the person, that is what everyone sees. We hold our spirit, that is what makes us human. For a true believer how we also hold a part of HaShem in the form of His Spirit. That is what a true follower of HaShem is lead by, or should be anyway. After all HaShem is the one Who has offered us salvation from the start. It way to salvation has not changed, it by faith, followed by obedience. As was shown in the post on this topic.
Now as we should have enough understanding to carry this through, both with , logic, scripture, and understanding, it does little good to say what a person thinks when we have no true understanding of it. We have no authority to condemn others, or say they are going to hell, so why bother with that?
Anyway. As this is meant to save time when we get back to looking at who, how, and by what standard we will be judged, lets get to it.
To look at Yeshua and Who He is, we must look at what the word tells us. Not what we hope it has to say, what it really does say. As stated many times, every passage must up hold the whole of the Word. If not then we have a misunderstanding of said passage. More often that not this is due to a failure on the part of the one reading to read every word. In many cases they fail to even keep the passage in context with the same passage. Please keep this in mind as we move on.
Unlike other post, we will start with what has been said already. I dislike repeating myself, though at times it is faster than trying to find a new way to say the same thing over.
As we pointed out, HaShem had told the serpent that the seed of the women would crush his head, and he would strick the heal of this seed. Trust me, it is better to be hit in the heal than the head. If anyone thinks this is wrong, go try it. No really don't, you will hurt your self.
As we know that a human doesn't give birth to a real god, we must ask, how does Yeshua then come from a women, yet is God? Here is where things get a bit confusing for many people.
Jhn 1:1In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.

We must keep in mind that in this passage we find the Word is HaShem, and there is no separation in the two, given or hinted at.
Jhn 1:2He existed in the beginning with God.
Some may wish to say that this shows they are not the same, yet they over look what we found in Gen. 1:1. Remember EloHim is the plural form of His name. This doesn't mean He is 3 separate beings. If it did, then we would be right to say HaShem lied to us when He said He was one. Remember going over that? It is good to understand that if any part of the Word is wrong, none of it can be trusted, and our salvation becomes questionable at best.
So when we read the above passage, we do good to keep in mind HaShem is all powerful, and can do things we may never understand. That inclueds being the great I Am. (Yahovah if you wish) He showed Himself to Abraham as a man, A burning bush to Moses, so why is so hard to understand He can live a life inside of man? As to the word being with Him, well my words go with me everyplace I go. They show others what kind of person I am, just as everyone's words do. Yet in the end, some wish to speak for HaShem, and if anyone doesn't bow to them, or their teachings, they think they can send that person to hell. As for me, I will let HaShem be the judge of my actions, intent, faith, and understanding of His Word. As we all should.
Jhn 1:3God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him.
As we know, the Word tells us what we need to know, it is on us to seek an understanding that stands with the intent of any passage. As for me, I really don't worry about what others may think. On that note, As we have seen in the first verese of this chapter, The Word is HaShem. We can't get around that with out first makeing up our mind that the Word doesn't know what it is talking about. So this passage is clear to us, that if creation was the work of HaShem's vocal command, then creation is His Word forming that which He intended. So true, nothing was created except by Him.
Jhn 1:10He came into the very world he created, but the world didn't recognize him.
As to our understanding, HaShem came into this world, and though He was in the form of a man, no one know Him. If it His creation, as we know from Gen.1:1. So why try to change it?
Jhn 1:12But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God.
Jhn 1:13They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God.
I am thankfull that we are reborn, and not made dead as some claim. After all being dead means we don't know anything.
Ecc 9:5The living at least know they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward, nor are they remembered.
It is hard to live the life of the walking dead, and learn, much less say HaShem is your God.
Mat 22:32‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ So he is the God of the living, not the dead.”
Now I know at lest one person that will wish to start an argument over that, so let them argue with the Word, as I have simply placed before you what the Word said.
However as we must make note of something here, just to clear the air a bit. Please read the passage from Mat once more will you? You will find that it opens with I Am, then moves to say He is. In the minds of some this is speaking of 2 different people. Yet the passage doesn't read that way. It is clearly speaking of the same person, that being HaShem. As this understand fits with the following,
Jhn 1:14So the Word became human and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father's one and only Son.
True this can be seen as speaking of 2 people, yet does it really? Truth is yse it does. You see what we find here is the Spirit of HaShem taking on the form of a man. Yet the man we are talking of was born of a women. HaShem has no need to be born, He can simply say, Here I am in mans form look and see. Everyone would look, and they would all see the same thing. A man standing there talking. Just as Abraham did.
Jhn 1:17For the law was given through Moses, but God's unfailing love and faithfulness came through Jesus Christ.
Now we hope you remember, (or that we remebered to bring it up) that HaShem even in the Torah showed His love of man kind. Yes He did bring judgement when we got so lost there was no hope, much like we see in the world today. So for one to try and use this passage to show that HaShem changed His mind, ever though we are told He is not man that He should change His mind. Num.23:19, 1Sam: 15:29, Heb. 6:17 just to name a few.
Though some may see this as confusion, or an attempt to diminish Torah they would be wrong. After all it was from Torah that most of this thread is based. Why? It is from the foundation of the earth that Yeshua was set to be our sacrifice for sin. So to think that HaShem changed His mind about mans need for blood to cover/wash away sin is based on a pipe dream.
Lots more on this to follow, as we still to look at how it all works, and Who does what in our judgement.

remember what you read in scripture and do not contradict it:

Who do you say Jesus is?

First of all there is no "HaShem" in the Bible. Secondly you are corrupting what is actually stated in John 1:1 in order to promote your false doctrines. Writing reams and reams of nonsense does not establish anything.

So what does John 1:1 actually say? In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. So this verse shows two persons: God and "the Word". And verse 14 tells us that the Word was Christ, who became human. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

It could not be any clearer. John 1:1 established that God the Father and God the Son existed from all eternity. "From everlasting to everlasting thou art God".

So we just over look any part we don't like? After all that passage does say , AND THE WORD WAS GOD. As to the title one uses in their talks with HaShem, He knows the intent.
As we move on, we will show why we follow the understand we now hold. In doing so, you will note a change in the title I use, though you will no dough make something of it as well, even though we both know Yohovah knows the intent of ones heart.

At this point we will take a short look at something many people don't like. As it can become a bit of an over load for them. I know it was for us when we first undertook the task. To work through this we will be looking at the last supper on to the resurrection. Having already established that Yeshua was born, and that it fulfilled prophecy, it is clear that as I stated, Yeshua was human in part, and that will be backed as we move forward.
Though we will not post every passage, the phase, "The Son of man", used 84 times in scripture. Not a big thing on it's own, however the context tells us a lot. As here,
Mat 9:2Some people brought to him a paralyzed man on a mat. Seeing their faith, Jesus said to the paralyzed man, "Be encouraged, my child! Your sins are forgiven."
Though most don't give this a first thought, much less a second, only Yahovah has the power to remove sin, as we know from Tanakh. That is why
Mat 9:3But some of the teachers of religious law said to themselves, "That's blasphemy! Does he think he's God?"
One must now ask, Is Yeshua really Yahovah, or did He just sin?
Mat 26:39He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, "My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine."
This is where it can become a bit sticky. As we see Yeshua has a human side, and doesn't want to suffer what He knows is coming. Just as Yeshua has turned His life over to Yahovah with holding nothing at all, so to should we do the same. Yet if Yeshua wasn't a god, rather a man, He would like all of us wish to live. So for some they will say, "So He talked to himself?" In a way yes. As best I know we all do at some point, however in this case, Yeshua was speaking to Yahovah.
Mat 27:11Now Jesus was standing before Pilate, the Roman governor. "Are you the king of the Jews?" the governor asked him.
Jesus replied, "You have said it."

Mat 27:46At about three o'clock, Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means "My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?"
Remember I said it gets a bit sticky, Heres why. For many years it has been said that Yeshua was with Yahovah when the earth was created. Though in a way that is true, it isn't true of the human body. As we seen in John 1:1 the Word was Yahovah. Unless that doesn't hold any truth and should not have ever been written, we must understand it to mean just that. So why talk ask your self why you have abandoned yourself? The human knew that Yahovah was going to be with Him to the end, He also know there was more to be done, so it wasn't the end. So the human wasn't real sure what was going on.
As we said before, Yahovah is Holy, and bound to His own Law. That would mean that to touch a dead body would make Him unclean. Yahovah left the human body to avoid this. Also we must understand, if the human part of Yeshua was immortal, then death would have no way to claim Him, even for a short time.
Next we will look at the same thing from the book of John. Enjoy, and may any that don't wish to hear this, feel free to move on. If you are only here in hopes of triping up my understanding, or hoping that I will say something that you find to be in conflict with anything I have said, good luck with that.