Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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But not like what happened to steal the election from Trump. Using COVID19 as an excuse, the Democrats changed the election laws to allow fraudulent voting. They pushed mail-in ballots and the postal service colluded in the fraud. They pushed drop boxes to increase the fraud. Then nobody demanded that all the voter rolls be updated, and that every voter would need to provide proper ID before voting. Many voter rolls had either deceased voters in large numbers or people who had moved and never been updated. Also, many illegal aliens were helped to get false IDs so that they could add to the fraud. In addition to that the vote counting machines were deliberately rigged to either flip the votes or create a false result. Then the counting of votes was not done within the allotted time, so that more fraud could be perpetrated.
Don't forget the conspiracy by more then half the country who voted for Biden despite knowing Trump was divinely entitled to it.
 

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that is what they are truly offended at

One thing I couldn't understand, Yitzhak Shamir, an Israeli Prime Minister was involved in terrorist acts and unlike Trump saying "he could" kill someone on the street he actually did kill someone on the street. Yet Israel elected him Prime minister. So how can Jews complain about Trump when Israel is involved in terrorist activities and even elected a terrorist to be prime minister? Same goes with Hamas, and with Iran, and all the countries that support them. The same goes with Saudi Arabia and all of the US allies.

I'm not condemning Israel, God will judge, nor am I condemning Hamas, they also will be judged by God. My point was I was confused, why would all these people feign outrage over Trump saying what he said while at the same time choosing their own leaders who were guilty of worse acts?

But then I heard Trump's speech on Christmas where He lifts up the name of Jesus as the son of God and the Messiah. That explains it. They don't object to terrorists if they are Jewish or Muslim, but if a person professes that Jesus is the Christ, then that is what they are truly offended at.
 

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that is what they are truly offended at

One thing I couldn't understand, Yitzhak Shamir, an Israeli Prime Minister was involved in terrorist acts and unlike Trump saying "he could" kill someone on the street he actually did kill someone on the street. Yet Israel elected him Prime minister. So how can Jews complain about Trump when Israel is involved in terrorist activities and even elected a terrorist to be prime minister? Same goes with Hamas, and with Iran, and all the countries that support them. The same goes with Saudi Arabia and all of the US allies.

I'm not condemning Israel, God will judge, nor am I condemning Hamas, they also will be judged by God. My point was I was confused, why would all these people feign outrage over Trump saying what he said while at the same time choosing their own leaders who were guilty of worse acts?

But then I heard Trump's speech on Christmas where He lifts up the name of Jesus as the son of God and the Messiah. That explains it. They don't object to terrorists if they are Jewish or Muslim, but if a person professes that Jesus is the Christ, then that is what they are truly offended at.
What's the context? What jews made what complaint about Trump? Got a link?
 

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But not like what happened to steal the election from Trump. Using COVID19 as an excuse, the Democrats changed the election laws to allow fraudulent voting. They pushed mail-in ballots and the postal service colluded in the fraud. They pushed drop boxes to increase the fraud. Then nobody demanded that all the voter rolls be updated, and that every voter would need to provide proper ID before voting. Many voter rolls had either deceased voters in large numbers or people who had moved and never been updated. Also, many illegal aliens were helped to get false IDs so that they could add to the fraud. In addition to that the vote counting machines were deliberately rigged to either flip the votes or create a false result. Then the counting of votes was not done within the allotted time, so that more fraud could be perpetrated.
You might as well just state they made 1,000,000 votes disappear in every state. Only proof makes it relevant. I haven't seen any proof except a few isolated individual incidences. I've never seen proof of enough fraud to change any state vote.
 

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You might as well just state they made 1,000,000 votes disappear in every state. Only proof makes it relevant. I haven't seen any proof except a few isolated individual incidences. I've never seen proof of enough fraud to change any state vote.
The Pennsylvania state Supreme Court allowing mailed in ballots postmarked after the cutoff date isn't enough for you.
 

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What's the context? What jews made what complaint about Trump? Got a link?
MSNBC, CNN, Fox, ABC, CBS, this thread, take your pick.

The point is simple, how does one have such a righteous indignation over something that Trump said while ignoring the heinous things that these other ones did?

If they are Jewish or Israeli, then the hypocrisy is blatant with Yitzhak Shamir, likewise if they are Muslim, or German or Chinese etc. The Arab money has bought up many news agencies, but they all have an agenda.

The vaccine mandate is a perfect example, millions are now calculated to have died over this illegal vaccine mandate that violated the Nuremberg laws concerning EUA vaccines. How many news agencies pushed that agenda ridiculing and insulting anyone who questioned it and yet they were horrified over Trump talking about killing one person. My point is the same ones feigning horror at Trump were fine with the killing of a million people, pushed it and helped cover it up.
 

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It’s all a matter of evidence. Before claims are made, regardless of whether it is from the Democrats or Republicans, make sure there’s solid evidence to back up the claims. If not it’s just opinion.
 

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MSNBC, CNN, Fox, ABC, CBS, this thread, take your pick.

The point is simple, how does one have such a righteous indignation over something that Trump said while ignoring the heinous things that these other ones did?

If they are Jewish or Israeli, then the hypocrisy is blatant with Yitzhak Shamir, likewise if they are Muslim, or German or Chinese etc. The Arab money has bought up many news agencies, but they all have an agenda.

The vaccine mandate is a perfect example, millions are now calculated to have died over this illegal vaccine mandate that violated the Nuremberg laws concerning EUA vaccines. How many news agencies pushed that agenda ridiculing and insulting anyone who questioned it and yet they were horrified over Trump talking about killing one person. My point is the same ones feigning horror at Trump were fine with the killing of a million people, pushed it and helped cover it up.
Take my pick? I mean I don't know what you're referring to. You have to tell me.

Are you talking about that some individuals or news broadcasts complained about Trump saying, "the polls say I have the most loyal people, where I could stand in the middle of 5th Ave and shoot someone and I wouldn't lose any voters", back in 2016?

Or are you talking about some comment made recently? Can you specify? I honestly don't know what you're saying.

Trump was being sarcastic, making fun of how some in the media were complaining about the loyalty of his supporters. They either don't get sarcasm, or they just report it disingenuously knowing haters will believe anything they say about him.

 

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The Pennsylvania state Supreme Court allowing mailed in ballots postmarked after the cutoff date isn't enough for you.
Enough for what? Can you please be specific? (1) Enough to know there was some voter fraud and/or bad decisions? Or (2) that Trump actually would have won the election except for fraud and the PA SC decision? Cause (1) is 'yes', and 2 is 'no, it's not enough'.

The 2020 electoral total was Biden 306 Trump 232 = 74 margin. Pennsylvania has 20 electoral votes. PA isn't enough.
 

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Take my pick? I mean I don't know what you're referring to. You have to tell me.

Are you talking about that some individuals or news broadcasts complained about Trump saying, "the polls say I have the most loyal people, where I could stand in the middle of 5th Ave and shoot someone and I wouldn't lose any voters", back in 2016?

Or are you talking about some comment made recently? Can you specify? I honestly don't know what you're saying.

Trump was being sarcastic, making fun of how some in the media were complaining about the loyalty of his supporters. They either don't get sarcasm, or they just report it disingenuously knowing haters will believe anything they say about him.

We have posted in great detail on all these topics. The same MSM that was pushing the Ukraine conflict, pushing a war, was the one outraged by Trump saying he could shoot someone on the street, yet they pushed a conflict that has killed hundreds of thousands when any reasonable evaluation, it was easy to know that Russia was going to win, Ukraine lose, and instead of fighting we should be negotiating. That is hypocrisy.

Same with a news service that supports Hamas.

It is quite simple really, everyone who was outraged with Trump was pushing Biden, regardless of what they say. It is binary choice, so trashing Trump is equivalent to pushing Biden. The result of pushing Biden was the war in Ukraine and the war in the Mideast. It was easy to predict. Again, hypocrisy, they are swallowing the camel of hundreds of thousands of horrific deathsy while having a fit over the gnat in the ointment of what Trump said.
 

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Take my pick? I mean I don't know what you're referring to. You have to tell me.

Are you talking about that some individuals or news broadcasts complained about Trump saying, "the polls say I have the most loyal people, where I could stand in the middle of 5th Ave and shoot someone and I wouldn't lose any voters", back in 2016?

Or are you talking about some comment made recently? Can you specify? I honestly don't know what you're saying.

Trump was being sarcastic, making fun of how some in the media were complaining about the loyalty of his supporters. They either don't get sarcasm, or they just report it disingenuously knowing haters will believe anything they say about him.

I am saying that the people who are making a big stink over straining out the gnat are swallowing the camel.

The war in Ukraine was a camel, it never should have happened. The same can be said with this war with Israel and Hamas. The same people who told you how horrible it was what Trump said were the same ones telling you we have to support these wars at all cost.
 

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The Pennsylvania state Supreme Court allowing mailed in ballots postmarked after the cutoff date isn't enough for you.
Actually, doing a little more research, according to pennlive.com and NY Post "about 10,000 votes" were received after election day, but were counted if they were postmarked by Nov 3, per U.S. Supreme Court order. Biden won PA by 80,555 votes. So, the court order wouldn't have changed the result in PA. If you have any different info, let me know.
 

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Enough for what? Can you please be specific? (1) Enough to know there was some voter fraud and/or bad decisions? Or (2) that Trump actually would have won the election except for fraud and the PA SC decision? Cause (1) is 'yes', and 2 is 'no, it's not enough'.

The 2020 electoral total was Biden 306 Trump 232 = 74 margin. Pennsylvania has 20 electoral votes. PA isn't enough.
I agree it wasn't enough. But Arizona, Georgia, Michigan were also in play and had voting irregularities.
It's illogical to believe that if they went to such great lengths to cheat in one state, they didn't also do so in others. Anyone who believes Biden running from his basement got more votes than Obama is simply straining the limits of veracity. And Trump set a record for number of votes by an incumbent President. What really are the chances that Democrats made up for the votes he took from them and got another 10 million people to vote for Biden?
You seem like a reasonable person. Why doesn't this strike you as odd? At the same time, Democrats have weaponized government agencies and used tax dollars to pay tech companies to limit free speech and control news narratives.
Did you watch the coverage of the last 2 elections? At around 10 pm both times, results stopped being reported, polls shut down, and results were not continued until the next day. In both cases, Trump had significant leads in swing states. In 2016, Trump's leads dwindled, but remained. In 2020, even larger leads were turned into deficits. And none of this resonates with you?
I'm amazed by that.
 

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The problem is not CNN, or MSNBC or Bannon or Tucker Carlson.

The problem is people love and make a lie and because of that God has sent them a great delusion. AI and the algorithms work to create a great delusion.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The question is not about politics, or about what key policies you care about. What is critical is that people receive the love of the truth. If you are still in the kingdom of darkness then you can't know the truth and are open to delusion.

If you were pushing for the US to support Ukraine, you were deluded. If you thought that people asking questions about the vaccine mandate were anti science nut jobs, you were deluded.

If you think the moral and right thing is to express outrage over Trump saying something stupid while supporting people committing genocide then you are deluded.

I don't care if you are pro this or that, I don't care about who you vote for, and I don't care about politics because it is a failed system that is condemned to collapse and go up in flames. What I am concerned about is people loving the truth and getting saved.
 

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Actually, doing a little more research, according to pennlive.com and NY Post "about 10,000 votes" were received after election day, but were counted if they were postmarked by Nov 3, per U.S. Supreme Court order. Biden won PA by 80,555 votes. So, the court order wouldn't have changed the result in PA. If you have any different info, let me know.
so, it's o k to fudge deadlines as long as it does not directly effect anything.

got it.


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