Does all disease come from the devil?

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Thunderrr-mental

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the time of how long one lives is irrelevant. Sin is the reason for a physical death. That was not the plan of God for man. God made man to live forever. Death was not part of man until he sinned. the 120 years man shall live was said after man fell, not before.
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I can't agree completely because I have no idea if this is completely accurate.

If what you say is true you would get many people blaming God. I know some who blame God when they lose people but most people pray to God when they lose someone.

I would well and truly imagine if everyone held your sentiment not many would pray to God.

And you can get all huffed up about it if you want
 
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I can't agree completely because I have no idea if this is completely accurate.

If what you say is true you would get many people blaming God. I know some who blame God when they lose people but most people pray to God when they lose someone.

I would well and truly imagine if everyone held your sentiment not many would pray to God.

And you can get all huffed up about it if you want
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I am not looking for you to agree, but IF you read the Text in Genesis chapters One through four, the following is there.


1. Man was made after the image of God God is eternal; therefore, man was created to be eternal
2. God said man would die if they disobeyed Him and ate from the tree God had forbidden them to eat from.
3. they ate, and death entered the human race.


The problem with your understanding is you stopped with the idea it's God's Fault for man's sin. we die because of sin not because of God.

Yet you did not reasonably acknowledge That God Himself Provided the Answer to death from sin, that man created by his sin.


The Lord Jesus Christ is that answer to sin and all sin, and if we repent of our sins and place our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, we receive eternal life as it was in the beginning before the fall of man.

I am not huffed about it at all :) I am Thankful for Jesus saving me from my sins.
 
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I am not looking for you to agree, but IF you read the Text in Genesis chapters One through four, the following is there.


1. Man was made after the image of God God is eternal; therefore, man was created to be eternal
2. God said man would die if they disobeyed Him and ate from the tree God had forbidden them to eat from.
3. they ate, and death entered the human race.


The problem with your understanding is you stopped with the idea it's God's Fault for man's sin. we die because of sin not because of God.

Yet you did not reasonably acknowledge That God Himself Provided the Answer to death from sin, that man created by his sin.


The Lord Jesus Christ is that answer to sin and all sin, and if we repent of our sins and place our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, we receive eternal life as it was in the beginning before the fall of man.

I am not huffed about it at all :) I am Thankful for Jesus saving me from my sins.
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take a step back.

Woah your basing your assessment of spiritual death.

Your original post made the statement sin is responsible for death.

Should i take that to mean all death spiritual or physical
 
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take a step back.

Woah your basing your assessment of spiritual death.

Your original post made the statement sin is responsible for death.

Should i take that to mean all death spiritual or physical
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Both.

We die spiritually because we lost connection with The Spirit of God because he is Holy and will not accept sin.

We physically because man was made spirit, soul, and body, the breath of life given to man to become a living being is in every person alive today and those born today and tomorrow. Sin is responsible for both deaths.


1. the separation from God
2. the body returning to the ground
 
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Do Christians believe that disease and sickness of mind, body and spirit all comes from the devil? If so, I would like to look at biblical references and evidence. Jesus did spend a lot of his ministry relieving people of evil spirits to cure afflictions. However, like in the case of leprosy, he didn't refer to this directly. In those cases he implied that faith was vital.

Modern medicine works on physical and chemical causes of illness. It is sensible and essential therefore to take proper medical advice and treatment. Yet prayer too is needed. Could it be that spiritual and mental sickness and imbalance is where prayer is most important, along with whatever modern medicine offers?
Any insights supported by Bible references most appreciated.
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Genesis 3, changed everything. Today we all are under the law of death, concern our body.
We all will die, because our body comes to an end. The organs collapse. Some in a high age, mostly through deseaes which will shorten our life. In this is no different between christian or not christian.
Yes, through prayer and medicine and medical help some deseases are will cured.
But finaly our body will collaps.
Our soul is the part which will last for ever.
Either with God ore separated from God.
To your question. The devil tempted Eva to sin. But, responsible are Eva and Adam that this tragedy comes into the world.
 
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Both.

We die spiritually because we lost connection with The Spirit of God because he is Holy and will not accept sin.

We physically because man was made spirit, soul, and body, the breath of life given to man to become a living being is in every person alive today and those born today and tomorrow. Sin is responsible for both deaths.


1. the separation from God
2. the body returning to the ground
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Are you afraid of death
 
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MaryM said:
Do Christians believe that disease and sickness of mind, body and spirit all comes from the devil? If so, I would like to look at biblical references and evidence. Jesus did spend a lot of his ministry relieving people of evil spirits to cure afflictions. However, like in the case of leprosy, he didn't refer to this directly. In those cases he implied that faith was vital.

Modern medicine works on physical and chemical causes of illness. It is sensible and essential therefore to take proper medical advice and treatment. Yet prayer too is needed. Could it be that spiritual and mental sickness and imbalance is where prayer is most important, along with whatever modern medicine offers?
Any insights supported by Bible references most appreciated.
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i have never known a Christian who believes all sickness & disease comes from the devil. our spiritual, mental & physical healths all work together. if 1 is out of line you can get sick in any of the 3! spiritual health gets us to heaven, (believing in God, Jesus & the HOLY SPIRIT). if you are at a public function & you are talking to someone with the flu & you get sick later & trace it back to that individual, it's not from the devil, it's from him or her.
 
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Both.

We die spiritually because we lost connection with The Spirit of God because he is Holy and will not accept sin.

We physically because man was made spirit, soul, and body, the breath of life given to man to become a living being is in every person alive today and those born today and tomorrow. Sin is responsible for both deaths.


1. the separation from God
2. the body returning to the ground
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who said anything about blaming God for sin, is that a saw point for you
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
who said anything about blaming God for sin, is that a saw point for you
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you said in post 21

"If what you say is true you would get many people blaming God"

I guess you forgot that ?
 
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you said in post 21

"If what you say is true you would get many people blaming God"

I guess you forgot that ?.



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I can honestly say I am not fearful of death. Only because of the peace I have in Christ Jesus.
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.you do have a saw point with people blaming God for death I can tell.

But that's not what I was suggesting.

I was suggesting not all people are like that.

Maybe you've miss understood my point.
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I answered your questions. Responded to your rebuttals. in context to this Thread.
 
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There different meanings to rebuttals.
What do you mean your rebuttals ?
 
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MaryM said:
Do Christians believe that disease and sickness of mind, body and spirit all comes from the devil? If so, I would like to look at biblical references and evidence. Jesus did spend a lot of his ministry relieving people of evil spirits to cure afflictions. However, like in the case of leprosy, he didn't refer to this directly. In those cases he implied that faith was vital.

Modern medicine works on physical and chemical causes of illness. It is sensible and essential therefore to take proper medical advice and treatment. Yet prayer too is needed. Could it be that spiritual and mental sickness and imbalance is where prayer is most important, along with whatever modern medicine offers?
Any insights supported by Bible references most appreciated.
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God is always for doctors. If you really want to know search just the OT and what GOD already promised to those that believe trust in cling to Him. Read what some wont Isa 53. Many of this chosen people will not read Isa 53 but skip over. He said Satan was a liar from the start and he comes to kill steal and destroy. So you tell me what does any disease do? Yes there are so many things we do today that will cause some sickness. But that sickness is part of the curse/sin which is the fruit that Satan gives so to speak.

So His promises are yes and amen. Christ only spoke what the Father said. He said we that believe will cast out demons we wil speak with new tongues and.... shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. Even Peter and John believed Christs words after He rose saying to all those watching "why look at us as if we did this by our own power. That name faith in that name healed this man". Ok we know the man wasn't thinking about Jesus but he did expect to get something from them. They had faith in that name.

If we know He hears us we know we have the petitions we prayed for. oh but if we doubt let not that man think he will get anything from the lord.

But lets look at OT "Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the LORD and depart from evil. It will be health to your flesh, And strength to your bones" " Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases, "So you shall serve the LORD your God, and He will bless your bread and your water. And I will take sickness away from the midst of you. No one shall suffer miscarriage or be barren in your land; I will fulfill the number of your days"

Its why I always say if GOD said it He will do it. He can't lie and the simple fact some can not see is GOD already spoke this. Those words can never come back to Him void. As Issac was we are the Children of promise. “Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise". What if we just believed no matter what we see hear or feel just trust and believe if our Father our GOD said it then its done. Not some day but its done we walk by faith not sight. Doubt will aways stop Him
 
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There different meanings to rebuttals.
What do you mean your rebuttals ?
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I provided the answer to your question from a Christian worldview that you asked in Post 21 & 23
 
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Does all disease come from the devil?

Some sickness and disease do definitely come from Satan-----Satan is allowed by God to inflict certain sickness and diseases on us as seen in Job -----Matthew 17 and luke 13 are other examples -----

What is important to understand I think ----

Is that jesus bore all our Sickness and Disease upon Himself when He was on the Cross --as well as our sins ------therefore all who receive Jesus are under the Blessing listed in Deuteronomy 28 ------where Health is the order of the day ------

All Sickness and Diseases came under the Curses listed in Deuteronomy 28-----Jesus defeated the Curse of the law ----and brought back the Blessings for all who receive Him

Isaiah 53
4 Surely He has borne our griefs (sicknesses, weaknesses, and distresses) and carried our sorrows and pains [of punishment], yet we [ignorantly] considered Him stricken, smitten, and afflicted by God [as if with leprosy].

5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our guilt and iniquities; the chastisement [needful to obtain] peace and well-being for us was upon Him, and with the stripes [that wounded] Him we are healed and made whole.

Matthew 8:17
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This fulfilled the word of the Lord through the prophet Isaiah, who said, “He took our sicknesses and removed our diseases.”

I say
If your sick your not healed and your not whole ------

The people who have rejected Jesus remain under the Curse of this world where sickness and disease
are still rampant ------the stresses of life ---worry --anxiety --fear --doubt ----anger ---unforgiveness --jealousy ---envy ----etc all cause --Dis---ease in the Soul ---and this effects the whole Body in general -----

Dis--Ease in the body and mind causes ----Sickness and Disease to take hold -----and manifest itself in all of us ---Born Again or not ------all are affected by us allowing worldly stresses to gain access into our lives ----

Born Again people have to know and grow in who they are in Christ ----and keep their gate closed to all the worries and stresses of this world ----

Born Again people have to work towards Maturing in their walk with Christ and maintain PEACE in their Hearts and Mind by staying focused on Jesus who is the Word ----not this World -------and health will prevail -----

I say -------Jesus who is the Word ia our Great Physician --------



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We either believe these scriptures or we don't -------to be healthy comes with closing your heart and mind to the stresses of this world and staying focused on the Word who is Jesus ------
 
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studentoftheword said:
Does all disease come from the devil?

Some sickness and disease do definitely come from Satan-----Satan is allowed by God to inflict certain sickness and diseases on us as seen in Job -----Matthew 17 and luke 13 are other examples -----

What is important to understand I think ----

Is that jesus bore all our Sickness and Disease upon Himself when He was on the Cross --as well as our sins ------therefore all who receive Jesus are under the Blessing listed in Deuteronomy 28 ------where Health is the order of the day ------

All Sickness and Diseases came under the Curses listed in Deuteronomy 28-----Jesus defeated the Curse of the law ----and brought back the Blessings for all who receive Him

Isaiah 53
4 Surely He has borne our griefs (sicknesses, weaknesses, and distresses) and carried our sorrows and pains [of punishment], yet we [ignorantly] considered Him stricken, smitten, and afflicted by God [as if with leprosy].

5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our guilt and iniquities; the chastisement [needful to obtain] peace and well-being for us was upon Him, and with the stripes [that wounded] Him we are healed and made whole.

Matthew 8:17
New Living Translation
This fulfilled the word of the Lord through the prophet Isaiah, who said, “He took our sicknesses and removed our diseases.”

I say
If your sick your not healed and your not whole ------

The people who have rejected Jesus remain under the Curse of this world where sickness and disease
are still rampant ------the stresses of life ---worry --anxiety --fear --doubt ----anger ---unforgiveness --jealousy ---envy ----etc all cause --Dis---ease in the Soul ---and this effects the whole Body in general -----

Dis--Ease in the body and mind causes ----Sickness and Disease to take hold -----and manifest itself in all of us ---Born Again or not ------all are affected by us allowing worldly stresses to gain access into our lives ----

Born Again people have to know and grow in who they are in Christ ----and keep their gate closed to all the worries and stresses of this world ----

Born Again people have to work towards Maturing in their walk with Christ and maintain PEACE in their Hearts and Mind by staying focused on Jesus who is the Word ----not this World -------and health will prevail -----

I say -------Jesus who is the Word ia our Great Physician --------



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We either believe these scriptures or we don't -------to be healthy comes with closing your heart and mind to the stresses of this world and staying focused on the Word who is Jesus ------
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the origin of sickness and death is Sin. Yes, The remedy to Sin is God. The cause of sickness is sin the effect of sin is death.
 
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Joh 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
Joh 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
 
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the origin of sickness and death is Sin. Yes, The remedy to Sin is God. The cause of sickness is sin the effect of sin is death.
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The Good News is Jesus overcame Death, Hell and the Grave !!!
 
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I provided the answer to your question from a Christian worldview that you asked in Post 21 & 23
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I'm still not sure what it is where disagreeing over.


If your saved and you become sick is that a result of sin to.

And I'm having a hard time understanding what difference it makes to the timing when God said man shall live for 120 years.
 
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