The Error of KJV-Onlyism

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I haven't seen anything of the sort. The word is the father in that verse, but John 1:1 is the same way in Greek.
It’s a logical deduction. If Christians existed in America for centuries (and they have) and they encountered others who denied the Trinity, they would have used the King James Bible to defend the Trinity and 1 John 5:7 is the most logical go to place to do so with the KJB. The King James Bible was the Bible here in America starting in the 18th century (1700s). The Geneva Bible lost favor among the Puritans and they started to go with the KJB because of the Anne Hutchinson Antinomian Controversy in 1637. The first Bible printed here on American soil (After we declared our Independence from Britain) was a King James Bible (without the Apocrypha). It was the Aitkens’s Bible. The full version of Atiken’s Bible was endorsed by Congress. While it was not a financial success, it did lead to many others making the KJB the dominant Bible here in America. This changed in the early 1960s when they also just happen to take the KJB out of public schools. But it was this nation’s national book at one time in history. Today, we are living in the Laodicean age. Men just butcher up the Bible to their own liking despite the warnings from God.
 

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What if you are actually gullible? You don't need modern Greek to understand Koine. Modern Greek would make it worse.
I read an unbiased non-KJB article saying otherwise. So yeah. I don’t believe that at all.
It’s also a logical deduction. I would not tell a person to first study 1600s English without knowing Modern English first.
That would be silly.
 

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What if you are actually gullible? You don't need modern Greek to understand Koine. Modern Greek would make it worse.
Look. The KJB translators knew more about the languages than you do. So you are claiming your expertise is better than what they knew. I trust their translation more than some single guy in recent history who does not know Greek. Even if you did, you still are not as knowledge about the languages like they were. They had access to resources that we do not have today.

But again, I just read my Bible in the English in Revelation and it warns me not to add or take away from God’s words. That’s not called gullible. It’s called believing the BIble. Only atheists or agnostics questioned the Bible before the 1800s. Believers did not seek to make their own Bibles and chop and butcher it to their liking with them pretending they know a dead language when they really don’t.

Your position is flawed. That would be like trying to go to Australia to get a Chinese to English dictionary written by an Australian who does not know how to write, read, or speak Chinese fluently. Would you want to learn from that guy? I wouldn’t. That is why you are not qualified. You are only toying with a language that is long gone. The valuable resources the KJB translators had burned up in the 1666 London fire. You don’t have what they had. They were experts. You are not. 54 (47 translators) who knew their stuff. And I am gonna pick some guy who want to butcher the Bible today? Yeah, no thanks. Not even remotely tempting.
 

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It is written:

18 ”For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
(Revelation 22:18-19) (KJB).

I believe the Bible.
Don’t add or take away words from the prophecy of this book.
Revelation was not meant to be a singular book a part from the rest of Scripture.
God knew that the book of Revelation would one day be a part of the book known as the Bible.
A poor guy off the street is not going to know Revelation is some separate book when it was first written.
The Bible says that God has chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith.
Revelation does not exist as a separate book today.
It is a part of the book known as the Bible. So that is what God is referring to today.
Also, why would God approve the removal of words in other parts of the Scriptures and only Revelation?
Scholars should be scared because they also make changes to Revelation, too.
The KJB translators cannot be guilty of giving us the wrong Bible because there was no other texts around that was good.
The Textual Critics are the ones who discovered some supposedly better texts that add and remove things in the Bible that existed for hundreds of years. This is not logical. Nobody should mess with God’s Word.
 

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You put the sleep symbol rep when I talked about the KJB in American history.
This is a very unAmerican position to take seeing you listed yourself as living here in the USA.
While this place is not our home ultimately (Seeing it is with Christ in His Kingdom), we do live here and we should be grateful for the blessings we have here in America. So many people in other parts of the world can only dream of the blessings we have here (that we take for granted). I strive to be thankful to God as much as I can for being here in America and not another part of the world.

This nation was founded on biblical principles and it’s leaders lifted up the Bible to it’s people. That is why we are blessed.
Atheists and even some Christians today have sought to erase how this nation was positively impacted by God and His Word (the Bible).
 

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@7thMoon

Pick up the book called, “America’s God and Country.”
It may not tell you about the history of the King James Bible (like my PDF write up does), but it will at least help you to see the importance of God and the Bible to this country. It gives you a ton of excellent sources for these quotes, too.


 

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@7thMoon

You also gave the disagree symbol on my post on Isaiah 34:16.
I posted a video, as well.
what exactly did you disagree with?
Did you watch the whole video?
 

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As if. The KJB knew less than today's Greek students, and they also hadn't heard of Koine Greek.
You are seriously misinformed. Did you even look at their credentials? They were the best scholars the world has ever seen. Recent Modern Scholarship is steeped in unbelief and Rationalism.
 

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You gave an emotionless emoticon reaction to the book I provided (Involving America and God).
This is deeply disturbing.
How old are you?
Are you not grateful to be an American?
If not, perhaps a country like Venezuela might be better for you.
 

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As if. The KJB knew less than today's Greek students, and they also hadn't heard of Koine Greek.
Just a stated opinion with no fact. You need to provide lots of sources to prove your case here. Already you gave no actual rebuttal to your not believing the plain English reading of Isaiah 34:16 in the KJB. Why am I to believe you?
 

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Pick up the book called, “America’s God and Country.”
It may not tell you about the history of the King James Bible (like my PDF write up does), but it will at least help you to see the importance of God and the Bible to this country. It gives you a ton of excellent sources for these quotes, too.


Bill Federer is an outstanding historian.
I've posted videos of his presentation on Thanksgiving and several other topics.
 

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Bill Federer is an outstanding historian.
I've posted videos of his presentation on Thanksgiving and several other topics.
Praise God, brother.
I am not sure some Christians today are able to see where this country came from.
I did a history write-up of the Bible here in America in my PDF on the 101 Reasons for the KJB.
I included the Bible involving its formation of this country, and the men during the Revolutionary War, and the Civil War. I mention the Bible’s involvement in the 2nd World War, and mentioned other notable US figures in my write up.
It is still an incomplete work that I am creating on Canva. I am currently writing the sub articles for it, and I like to scrutinizing my own points or reasons that I have for the KJB (So as to give my best for the Lord to the edification of the body of Christ).
 

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Praise God, brother.
I am not sure some Christians today are able to see where this country came from.
I did a history write-up of the Bible here in America in my PDF on the 101 Reasons for the KJB.
I included the Bible involving its formation of this country, and the men during the Revolutionary War, and the Civil War. I mention the Bible’s involvement in the 2nd World War, and mentioned other notable US figures in my write up.
It is still an incomplete work that I am creating on Canva. I am currently writing the sub articles for it, and I like to scrutinizing my own points or reasons that I have for the KJB (So as to give my best for the Lord to the edification of the body of Christ).
That's great!
I appreciate good American history. It ties to what you were saying about the
translators. The average pastor these days is so infatuated with the temptations of pride that they overlook the obvious.

Example, at WVU I signed up for an elective class on American History. When I got there, the teacher could barely speak a lick of English. He might have been able to pass a first year English Grammer class, diagramming sentences from his Swahili speaking African village back home. It didn't do us any good as he literally spent over an hour with his back to us rewriting his notes on the chalkboard. We were supposed to copy it down and memorize his plagerized notes. He could not answer questions either.
I dropped the class.

The arrogant evangelical pastor is like that too. If they flew to Greece and couldn't find English speakers, they'd be lost. However, they'd beat they're chests to their congregation as they "correct the KJV from the original autographs." Unlike the African though, they seem to revel in how scholarly they think they are.
A child who lives in Cypress knows more Greek and can read their Greek Bible better than any of those pastors.

Well I better get back to sleep.
Later
 

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when the KJBible got taken out of american public schools, did they actually replace it with anything or was it a different version?


Here people use the CEV, but I dont find it as good personally, sort of watered/dumbed down

Good News Bible was also popular with the stick figure drawings, but it actually skipped some verses in revelation. I checked.

NIV was very common. The Jesus movie used NIV Lukes story. However reading NIV makes Jesus out to be a superhero/superhuman but not necessarily divine. At one point it equates Jesus with satans power, which to me, is so wrong. Reading the KJV its clear who Jesus is. NIV casts doubt.

ESV is problematic because of gender ....it tries to be gender neutral politcally correct. I dont mind when it uses people instead of mankind but in many instances mankind includes all human beings it doesnt mean to exclude women.

The NLT or living translation is like a hippies version of the Bible.

Message Bible people seem to love quoting from because its just so weird and new age, but also if they want to seem modern and cool, like its the lastest slang or something.

I love ERV for saying instead of 'tongues' they call it 'special sounds'

Reading AMP is like doing a crossword puzzle honestly...or reading a thesaurus.

NKJV is where they replaces all thee and thou and thine with 'you' I think it loses something when it does that.
 

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NASB confuses me...its a big fat Bible for big fat believers maybe. I think its longwinded.

Anyway theres lots of different Bibles to choose from... a new believer really only needs ONE and they will grow in faith if they find one that they can refer to all the time.

A lot of Bibles are so overcrowded with commentaries and marginalia that you can barely find scripture amongst everyone elses opinions.
 
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it will at least help you to see the importance of God and the Bible to this country. It gives you a ton of excellent sources for these quotes, too.
Yes, and sadly this nation is now under God's judgement... He's allowing us to have crazy people for our leaders who are leading the nation to destruction.

The same thing happened to ancient Israel when they turned their back on the Lord, and eventually this leads to our enemies being allowed to defeat us.

It's a good thing Christians are not to be overly concerned about politics because that is not our mission here on earth.

Sadly, must Christians in the US spend far more time on politics and sports than they do the Great Commission.

Does Bill Federer say in his book that most of the foundation father were deists and not actually Christians?

Like George Washington was not a Christian. We went to a church when he was POTUS and the pastor of that church wrote about how he tried to get George to accept Jesus and get born again numerous times and he always declined.

I think they made a book out of this pastor's writings as other early presidents went to his church as well since it looked good to be seen attending church back then.
 

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when the KJBible got taken out of american public schools, did they actually replace it with anything or was it a different version?
No. They took the Bible out public teaching altogether in the early 1960s. The Catholics wanted to have their Catholic Bibles in the public school system, but it never took on a national level. The King James Bible was the approved translation in public schools. It’s because no other translation was around besides the Catholic Bible, and America was predominantly Protestant. Now, during World War 2, the Army gave out two Bibles that I am aware of. They gave out the King James Bible to Protestants, and the Catholic Bible to Catholics.

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Here people use the CEV, but I dont find it as good personally, sort of watered/dumbed down
Never really went to this translation much.

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Good News Bible was also popular with the stick figure drawings, but it actually skipped some verses in revelation. I checked.
Not good for the creators. There is a warning in Revelation 22:18-19.

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NIV was very common. The Jesus movie used NIV Lukes story. However reading NIV makes Jesus out to be a superhero/superhuman but not necessarily divine. At one point it equates Jesus with satans power, which to me, is so wrong.
I strive to not watch movies that depict Jesus because they are a false idol image of our Lord.
I used to watch and own such films, but I make an effort not to watch them.
If I do, it would have to really interest me, and it only be once to maybe critique it.

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Reading the KJV its clear who Jesus is.
Which makes sense because it is the real Word of God.

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NIV casts doubt.
There were was a liberal Christian I talked with on the forums before who says they love the NIV.
He was strongly against the KJB being the perfect Word of God.
He had made strong statements for his disgust of the idea.
Note: When I say liberal, they seem like they were in support of the agenda.

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ESV is problematic because of gender ....it tries to be gender neutral politcally correct. I dont mind when it uses people instead of mankind but in many instances mankind includes all human beings it doesnt mean to exclude women.
In the Christian bookstore, I got a bad feeling just looking at the ESV. When I read it online at Biblehub when comparing verses, it does nothing for me.

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The NLT or living translation is like a hippies version of the Bible.
I have used the NLT to get the general story of what is happening in the Old Testament or in the book of Acts.
Sometimes the KJB can be difficult in it’s wording to understand what is going on the story. But the NLT is great for just giving you the general idea and then I switch back and reread in the KJB and I get it. The NLT is a paraphrase and it is by no means authoritative.

The Living Translation was created by a guy who thought he talked with the ghost of C.S. Lewis.
The Living Translation originally had a really bad cuss word in it at one point.
So I will not give that Translation the time of day.

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Message Bible people seem to love quoting from because its just so weird and new age, but also if they want to seem modern and cool, like its the lastest slang or something.
It’s a heretical paraphrase.

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I love ERV for saying instead of 'tongues' they call it 'special sounds'
But tongues would be more accurate because they were speaking real foreign languages or tongues.
Then again if somebody is Pentecostal or Charismatic, I suppose this translation might float their boat.

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Reading AMP is like doing a crossword puzzle honestly...or reading a thesaurus.
Like the EXP, it has been helpful on some rare occasions.

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NKJV is where they replaces all thee and thou and thine with 'you' I think it loses something when it does that.
The NKJV is a bridge Bible. It is a deception. It is to eventually move the reader to trust Modern Bibles over the KJB.
Theo Hikmat has a great video on this.

 
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Which makes sense because it is the real Word of God.
As long as people understand the translators did make some errors so we need to keep our greek and hebrew dictionary handy.

That's all I have ever used is the KJV since it goes with my Strong's Concordance, but there are some errors in the KJV.

As an example, there's one place there the KJV uses the word "easter" (Acts 12:4) which is definitely not in the original text

Christians celebrate the resurrection or passover - meta to pascha means "after Passover", rather than using a term derived from Pesach (Hebrew) / Pascha (Greek) for Passover.

Easter is a word used in pagan culture that has to do with pagan rituals and Christians should not be using this term as its not biblical. But, the KJV translators put this world in which was done in error.

The Lord doesn't use pagan words or rituals as the Lord is holy and set apart from sin so He never uses this words such as this when He was telling the Apostles what to write.

But, over all I've found the KJV to be the most accurate. I definitely have no use for any of the modern translations as they are choked full of error and bias towards teachings from certain groups.
 

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Yes, and sadly this nation is now under God's judgement... He's allowing us to have crazy people for our leaders who are leading the nation to destruction.

The same thing happened to ancient Israel when they turned their back on the Lord, and eventually this leads to our enemies being allowed to defeat us.

It's a good thing Christians are not to be overly concerned about politics because that is not our mission here on earth.

Sadly, must Christians in the US spend far more time on politics and sports than they do the Great Commission.

Does Bill Federer say in his book that most of the foundation father were deists and not actually Christians?

Like George Washington was not a Christian. We went to a church when he was POTUS and the pastor of that church wrote about how he tried to get George to accept Jesus and get born again numerous times and he always declined.

I think they made a book out of this pastor's writings as other early presidents went to his church as well since it looked good to be seen attending church back then.
There is a lot of false information out there trying to make the founding fathers out to be like they were not Christian. Some of them were not Christian. This is true. But not all of them. There is a great book that refutes Chris Pinto’s film titled, “The True Christian’s History of America.” It is called, “Hidden Facts of the Founding Era“ by Bill Fortenberry.

https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Facts-Founding-Bill-Fortenberry/dp/1490927867/

I would recommend his book on Benjamin Franklin, too. The book is just Franklin’s writings in chronological order with some minimal commentary.

There is another book called, The Re-writing of America’s History.
So there is an agenda to change history. and to erase Christianity from our country.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0889650926/

Here is a snippet from my own write-up:

Between September 19, 1777, and October 7, 1777, the Battles of Saratoga (New York) marked the climax of the Saratoga campaign, giving a decisive victory to the Americans over the British in the American Revolutionary War. Samuel Adams and others recommended that Congress set aside a day for thanksgiving and praise to God and a day to seek forgiveness of one's sins with Jesus (if applicable) so as to give God the glory by the Continental Army's much-needed win against the British in the Battle of Saratoga.​

It’s actually documented that the founding fathers told the soldiers to seek forgiveness with Jesus.
But you would not know that if you don’t look for it.

As for George Washington:

Pick up a book about George Washington written during the nineteenth century, and you will probably see that he is described as being a Christian. However, if you pick up a book written in the last seventy years, it will describe him as a Deist. Why the change?​
The turning point seems to be a study by historian Paul F. Boller, Jr. entitled George Washington and Religion. His conclusion can be summarized in a single sentence: To the “unbiased observer” George Washington appears as a Deist, not a devout Christian.{5} Most historians since Boller accepted this idea and were less likely to assert that Washington was a Christian.​
What do we mean by “Deism”? Deism is the belief that God is merely a watchmaker God who started the universe but is not involved in the affairs of humans and human history. One definition of Deism is that “There is no special providence; no miracles or other divine interventions intrude upon the lawful natural order.”{6}
Was George Washington a Deist? He was not. It is worth noting that even historian Paul Boller admitted that religion was important to Washington as a leader. Boller writes, “he saw to it that divine services were performed by the chaplains as regularly as possible on the Sabbath for the soldiers under his command.”{7} We might reasonably ask, Why would chaplains be important to a Deist?​
Boller even admits there are testimonials of Washington’s church attendance. This is important since many historians even go further than Boller and assert that Washington did not even attend church as a mature adult.​
Michael Novak admits that some of the names Washington often used for God sound Deist, but that does not mean that he was a Deist. In fact, his prayers for God’s action were just the opposite of what you might hear from a Deist. Washington believed God favored the cause of liberty and should be beseeched to “interpose” his action on behalf of the Americans. He called for public thanksgiving for the many ways in which Americans experienced God’s hand in key events in our history.​
Washington used more than eighty terms to refer to God, among them: Almighty God, Creator, Divine Goodness, Father of all mercies, and Lord of Hosts. The most common term he used in his writings and speeches was “Providence.” When he did so, he used the masculine personal pronoun “he.” Washington never refers directly to God as an “it,” as he does occasionally with Providence. God is personal.{8)
If we look at the history of the eighteenth century, there were many with orthodox religious beliefs who sometimes used the philosophical language of the enlightenment. Washington was a Christian, even though he often used terms for God associated with Deists.​

Source for George Washington:
https://probe.org/george-washington-and-religion/