The Error of KJV-Onlyism

very strange.

Since english language changes so much there ought to be a new Bible published every year. For 2024 it could say - At the start God created Space and Planet Earth.

The epistles could be updated to emails.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John could be renamed Matt, Marcus, Lucas and Johnny.

I know young adults now read the Graphic Version complete with full colour illustrations and handlettered capital letter script in comic format, called the Epic Bible. They dont know any different, and in church, its all on powerpoints slides.

The words God speaks are in giant speech bubbles and the narration is in text boxes. A lot is skipped out, because the pictures tell the story but, it makes it easier to read, so, it doesnt really matter does it?

You could just have a Bible without any pictures but thats kinda boring right? Even though scribes i. the past centuries painstakingly illuminated manuscripts with colour and goldleaf paint and dedicated their entire lives to transcribing the Bible.

I am glad though, that chapter numbers are now in arabic numerals cos figuring out Roman numerals takes too much brainpower. Bibles published in the last century still had roman numerals and would drive me crazy trying to figure out what the letters meant in digits.

Its always good to see your will to help friend, you've given some really good words to this thread,

we need you more than ever blain the spiritual forces of the enemy is worse than ever in the world,

This is for sure, to much is happening.

To much crime is going unchecked.

We are in tribulation friend but there is light for those who endure and fight,

We fight with our strength to be kind in theese dark times, and we ignore anything other than this kind nature.

Even in the face of the enemy where a kind word is not spoken, all we have to say well that's very kind of you say so.
Or I will take note thanks.

Or dont say anything at all

I've already ignored several posts to day but I may just go back and leave a blessing.

It might be a silent prayer as I don't need to say anything or write anything.

Just as I pray for you to be stronger than ever before and for God to give you the strength of Samson


You can see the fallen world here at cc more than ever to friend,

When you speak the words of the lord to some people here you can see how much there not over coming the spiritual forces of wickedness, they have a long way to go friend,

This is why need strong brothers like you who can endure friend.

But it's maybe better if you take part in threads where there is no such attempts to wage war on his kingdom as you need rebuilding, I sense friend.
There unkind words of the enemies hatred might be the words that push you over the edge or they might be the words that say well I'll just come back another time stronger than ever.

And spur my brothers on



This place I've noticed lately has become full of false prophets friend
Spreading the seed of doubt and baring false testimony of people's character.

Don't let them win by having them make you believe your at fault, even tho tho they be smart or intelligent,

Real intelligence comes from wisdom and insight from Him,

But it comes not once but every minutes every day as we seek his nature his wisdom his words friend.

It can't be a quick little bit of insight now in theese times.

we must seek like never before friend

and we will crush the forces of wickedness friend,

with all his avenging angels

and all his authority

I will become the brother

who will live in hostility with brothers

for you friend I will be like Ishmeal for you.

In other words @Blain I will become a wild donkey of a man for you 😊.

But not so wild that my swords will not be crossed, as they will be crossed for you friend. But not crossed for others.. nope they will get lash after lash, with a no surrender policy in place 😊

But remember @Blain the lash after lash will be the sword of truth that leaves an everlasting truth. Silence is Golden friend.

Jesus was commenting on the practice of giving a certificate of divorce. He had already pointed out that two shall be one flesh from Genesis.

What are homonyms, homophones, and homographs?
Homonym can be troublesome because it may refer to three distinct classes of words. Homonyms may be words with identical pronunciations but different spellings and meanings, such as to, too, and two. Or they may be words with both identical pronunciations and identical spellings but different meanings, such as quail (the bird) and quail (to cringe). Finally, they may be words that are spelled alike but are different in pronunciation and meaning, such as the bow of a ship and bow that shoots arrows. The first and second types are sometimes called homophones, and the second and third types are sometimes called homographs—which makes naming the second type a bit confusing.

You are the one needing correction, not that you'll take it.

Uh-oh, those verses are in the NIV, too, and the RSV, and the NASB. So if you read those, then will you have to believe those versions are inspired.

The KJV is a __translation of__ the Bible. The manuscript traditions it was translated from did not cease to exist when it was translated.

I heard a KJV-onlyist to the objection of, "What about people who don't speak English?" It was 'The KJV has been translated into numerous languages.' Sounds like a dumb answer to me, but if the KJV is translated into another language, then does the KJV cease to be inspired and the real Bible become the translation into that other language?

Attacking faith? Believing a lie is not commendable. Paul wrote of those who would be sent a strong delusion to believe a lie. Those people believe a lie... but is their faith commendable.

I'm not saying KJV-onlyism is the end-times delusion being spoken of in II Thessalonians. But just pointing out that believing something doesn't make it true or the faith in what is false to be commendable. And the issue here regarding falsehood is the doctrine, not taught by the prophets, the Lord Jesus, or the apostles in scripture that the KJV is an inspired translation.

The KJV was not written in Elizabethan English. Those claims simply are not true. It was written in a kind of English especially for the Bible itself that would give us the best possible representation of Holy Scripture in the English language. Many of the words and phrases were not in use in 1611, but the writers wanted to be exact when it came to the English language.

Codices were rare. I hadn't heard or read of them being used for scriptures at that time. By that I mean a book bound on one side. I have read they were used for scripture in 100 AD.

The verse you refer to says this,
16 Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.

It doesn't say all scripture would be bound in one book. And it certainly doesn't say anything about one translation in the English language being inspired.

This is an example of KJV interpretive foolishness. Not a single verse you cite makes the point you make. For some of things, I'm shaking my head at the foolishness of the assertion. Jeremiah was told to write the words he had received in a book. What book is that? The whole Bible? Um, look in your Bible, in the book that quote is from. It's from the Book of Jeremiah. Jeremiah didn't write Genesis or the Psalms of David. Your use of scripture makes no sense at all. This type of argument is why us non-KJV typically folks think KJV-onlyism is just plain dumb, even if a lot of non-KJV-only folks don't come out and say it that way. I'm reading the verses and SMH, not at the verses but at your assertions.

Even if you are treating the word 'book' as inspired, even a KJV-onlyist can know they had scrolls back then.

I'll put the actual verses in quotes:
I don't suppose interpretations really have to make sense. KJV-onlyism relies on the idea that if you don't accept KJV-onlyism, you are in unbelief, so therefore you accept the ridiculous KJV-onlyist arguments, so you aren't in unbelief. I'd imagine that cognitive dissonance can get pretty extreme for folks who aren't cut out for this sort of thing.

I can't think of a single post I have made that is 'Textual Criticism.' I mentioned an alternate reading of Amos, but that is based on Masoretes adding vowels as an aid to pronounce Biblical texts, and vowel pointing a passage in Amos differently from the way James interpreted it in Acts 2. That isn't an issue of the actual Hebrew text changing, since the vowel points weren't there in Biblical times.

Do you think Christians in Biblical times did not have access to God's word, when we read in the Bible that Paul preached it to various groups of Christians? They heard the word of God without holding a KJV in their hands or hearing it read. And what about Christians between the completion of the book of Revelation and the writing of the KJV, did they have a 'phantom Bible?

Be that as it may, do you believe the KJV translators translated from a 'phantom Bible'? If so, you have a problem. Are you saying the Textus Receptus and other texts the KJV was translated from ceased to exist in 1611? Why would a translation of the texts used-- the KJV-- become a real Bible, but the manuscripts used to translate it become a 'phantom Bible'?

Jacobite English?

So is this an argument against the KJV, which relied on a manuscript developed through Erasmus Textual Criticsm to arrive at the Textus Receptus. Are you changing your stance?

Very informative. Well said. Thank you. I really do appreciate that.

Yeah, while I may disagree with your negativity and unfriendliness at times, I took the correction. I am actually copying and pasting what you wrote into my Google notes right now for future use. I may research this topic more later. I don’t know everything in the universe. But thanks. I really appreciate the tip. I graduated in the early 1990s in a small-town country school (Mostly farmers). Although I loved most of the people there, their education was not always advanced.

Note: With Grammarly that I just installed, I do see three grammar errors in your paragraph. But it's okay. It happens to me every time I write, too. We are not perfect.

May the love of Christ and His grace be your focus of the day.

May God bless you and your family in the Lord.

The internet is both a strange and wonderful place.

I wonder how many is many?

Remember when teachers knew how to teach Shakespeare and literature and students were explicitly taught the language and how the rhyme worked and remember how they grew brain cells and became smarter not dumber.

Can you tell me what the IQ would be for those who need it to be set aside?

Thanks. I had my full of that in High School. Good thing for Coles notes

I grew up with the KJ in tow but I certainly do not think it 'inspired' or the only version worthy of the term Holy Bible.

oh boy. information light here. it is somewhat more complicated than that and you obviously looked it up and did not read the info in its entirety, but just claimed what you thought would place you in 'the know'.

hurray for you

A little more info on the 'style' of the English in the KJ

As @Laurel says, the underlying English dialect is Early Modern English; but you need to realize as well that the Authorized Version is a translation which seeks to reflect both the various styles employed in the Hebrew and Greek originals and a literary tradition of Biblical translation stretching back two hundred years in English (and beyond that to the 4th-century Latin Vulgate). The 'Biblical' style was already established and familiar to its readers when the AV was first published: both the AV and its Catholic competitor the Douai-Rheims translation were stylistically based on the earlier work of Tyndale (1525), which hearkens back to Wycliffe's Middle English translations.

The theological authority of the AV carried over to its style, which dominated religious translation and expression in English for the next three centuries. The style was followed not only by translators of the Hebrew-Greek scriptures and works from other religious traditions such as the Quran and the Upanishads, but also by new works claiming religious authority, such as Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon and Aleister Crowley's Thelemist texts.

The Biblical style is so widespread that it's immediately recognized by virtually all English speakers, and is thus eminently suited to parody. sourced from (people who actually know and do not have the prejudice evident in this particular thread)

For those who care and prefer the truth...simple and objective:

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