Are we in the great tribulation

op: are we in Great Tribulation?
Agree: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6,

✅ 7) We Are In God's Dispensation Of Grace { Mystery }, having already
had about 2000 years of tribulation, persecution, trouble, sufferings, and
infirmities, to glory in, and show the world we rest in "The Power Of Christ!"
through them. ( Read, re-read, and then re-read Romans - Philemon = God's
Heavenly Grace/Love Letters For us Today * ), And Then When
( This Parenthetical Age Of Grace ) Ends, At our:

The Body Of Christ Leaves for Heaven
[ ↑ if not In ↑ yet, ↑ review God's Simple Will! ],
after which...

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

...God's earthly Prophecy Resumes, with Judgment of the 'left behind'
Unbelieving Israel and the nations, In "The Time Of Jacob's Trouble,
And they Will be In Prophesied Great Tribulation and Wrath
(Daniel's 70th 'week of seven years' + Matthew, and Revelation)! *

Amen.

*
Never ever receive God's Dis-approval by "Mixing Up" Prophecy and Mystery,
but Always be "Approved Unto Him":



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UnScriptural or UNdispensational?

you mean Christs second coming will come after a time Christians prosper 😊



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmillennialism

Rather simplified, I would say. But with regards to this thread, both have the "tribulation" happening with the events leading up to 70AD.

When I was a kid my friends and I read the Hobbits and the Lords of the Ring trilogy.
I wrote papers on the Author J.R.R. Tolkiens.

If I told my teacher that upon turning in my paper, she would rightfully think that I plagerized and wrote down someone's commentary about it.
My friends would laugh at me and say,You didn't read it. Dude, the title of the book is The HOBBIT!

Oh I agree

when you see a temple in Jerusalem. and the man of sin enters the temple and defiles it.

thats your only biblical indicator of when it starts

Please show this.

Jer 30
3 For behold, the days are coming,’ says the Lord, ‘that I will bring back from captivity My people Israel and Judah,’ says the Lord. ‘And I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.’ ”


4 Now these are the words that the Lord spoke concerning Israel and Judah.


5 “For thus says the Lord:

‘We have heard a voice of trembling,
Of [a]fear, and not of peace.
6 Ask now, and see,
Whether a [b]man is ever in [c]labor with child?
So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins
Like a woman in labor,
And all faces turned pale?
7 Alas! For that day is great,
So that none is like it;
And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble,
But he shall be saved out of it.

8 ‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the Lord of hosts,
‘That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
9 But they shall serve the Lord their God,
And David their king,
Whom I will raise up for them.

10 ‘Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob,’ says the Lord,
‘Nor be dismayed, O Israel;
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed from the land of their captivity.
Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with you,’ says the Lord, ‘to save you;
Though I make a full end of all nations where I have scattered you,
Yet I will not make a complete end of you.
But I will correct you in justice,
And will not let you go altogether unpunished.

Can you show me the ten years?

So what does this have to do with the great tribulation and revelations?

Are you compairing the word of God and a paper you wrote with the bible?

I take it you mean another temple the same as in 70ad

That temple that was destroyed by the Romans in 70ad

Jesus said he would rebuild a new temple

But the temple he referred to was his church.

My feeling would be the man of predicaments would enter this such church or temple what ever you want to call it.

Is the temple you speak of is it a mosque.

My other question is will it just be one man in one temple that gets revealed 🤔

I was under the impression the man of predicaments is mirrored every where

Never mind. It's not important.

Jeremiah 30:3 For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

Jeremiah's prophecy is what Daniel read to realize that the Babylonian exile would be over after 70 years. However, pattern is prophecy so this can also refer to God's people returning to the land in 1948. The word of God is living and active and sharper than a two edged sword and we live by every word of God. Those who claim that this prophecy or that prophecy was fulfilled already are essentially denying that the word is still living and active today. If I describe in great detail how an apple tree goes from seed to fruit bearing tree to being cut down for firewood. This may be based on a tree I planted but it still applies today.

4 And these are the words that the Lord spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah. 5 For thus saith the Lord; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace. 6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? 7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

This expression "that day is great" is referring to the full ten years, not simply to one day or one year. However, there are some really great days that take place. The rapture is great. Jesus stepping down on the Mount of Olives is great. Armageddon is great and terrible.

8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him: 9 But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

After returning to Israel from Babylon the Jews were put under bondage by the Greeks and then the Romans, after which Jesus, David their king, came. They didn't receive Him but that gave us a chance at salvation. At the end of the church age the same thing happens again. God is giving them a second chance. But when Jesus returns this time they again will be brought into bondage of the Antichrist. Prior to Jesus coming it was Antiochus, when Jesus came it was Herod. Both are types of the Antichrist. But this also applies to the church so when the rapture takes place Jesus will break the yoke from off the neck of the Christians. It will be a rescue.

10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid. 11 For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

Judgement begins with the house of God. Christians and Jews will not go unpunished, the apostate church, the secular Jews, we all will have to appear before the judgement seat. However, much of the judgement on this great and terrible day will be against the nations.

12 For thus saith the Lord, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous. 13 There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines. 14 All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased.

The day of tribulation exposes who your true friends are, it exposes that only Jesus is faithful, only Jesus is the one you can trust. The apostate church will be seriously reprimanded for becoming mixed with the world.

15 Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee. 16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.

Today the term "corruption" refers to all those that devour thee, all that spoil thee, all that prey upon thee.

17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the Lord; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.

Hillary called some "deplorables" and "irredeemable" they were mocked by the Beltway crowd, and treated as outcasts. They call their states "flyover country".

18 Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof. 19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.

After going through the battle and mud and the gore nothing is better than a big banquet in front of a roaring fire after having a good hot shower.

20 Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them.

Look what they are doing and teaching the children, that will be put to an end.

21 And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the Lord. 22 And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Christians are being trained to rule and reign.

23 Behold, the whirlwind of the Lord goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.

That is the wrath of God, the believers are not appointed to wrath. Correction yes, wrath no.

24 The fierce anger of the Lord shall not return, until he hath done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.

I am talking about the temple jesus spoke of in Matt 24. It was not the temple in 70 Ad and it is not the church.

it means the jews will build another temple

Both of these premises would be in error. There was no time of jacobs trouble when the 70 years were up. And there was no great tribulation before 1948.

It is yet future.

The Holocuast and Hiroshima both prefigure the Great tribulation.

I'm having trouble seeing that. This is the problem for me.

I dont recognise another temple the same as in 70ad making any difference.

I did include the vote we have been in tribulations for Many years. Which can go back as far as you want it to.

To be really honest I favour this position more than any other.

And both will pail in contrast with the great tribulation.

I said ww2 (including both of these) were the standard. The great tribulation will be worse..

it won’t make a difference as far as salvation, in fact the temple in 70 AD did nto make a difference in salvation.. Jesus fulfilled the need for that temple..long before 70 AD. except in prophecy

if there is no future temple. There will not be an abomination which causes desolation that the world and Israel will see. Which precludes it. And Gods prophecy will be seen as false.

Prophecy just tells us what will happen..

Why would you favor this?

What is it about "pattern is prophecy" that you don't understand?

I think it is a stretch to say the Great Tribulation will be worse than the Holocaust. The numbers will be greater, but percentage wise it will be a third, the same.