Are we in the great tribulation

what pattern?

jesus said, when you see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place (temple inner room) then run, because then their will be great tribulation such as as never before or after. he says it will be so great. If he did not put an end to it. No flesh would survive. So for the elect he puts an end to it.

How?

By his return.. with his armies.

Non of this has happened yet. So why would we think it even started. Let alone we are in the middle of it? Or it was done

I never said it had happened yet, and that wasn't the question I was responding to or the context. Why don't you read the conversation before responding. I was asked what we would see at the time of Jacob's trouble. He then asked me to comment on Jeremiah 30 with that as the context.

We have had 2 world wars, each is very signficant in End time prophecy. The first ushered in the Balfour declaration, the second ushered in the UN declaration for Israel to return, and WW3 will usher in the millennial reign of Jesus.

The three wars are different but they also give us an indication of what is coming.

In WW2 the rest of the world learned the awesome might of the US, so they will take out the US to start the war in a surprise attack, somewhat like Pearl Harbor, but far more extensive.

In WW2 we learned about atomic bombs. If it hadn't been for that we still would not understand how the prophecies in Revelation could be fulfilled. Atomic weapons have threatened people for the last seventy years.

Yes and I said both your premises were in error. And you still have not proved that I was wrong

You aren't credible. The Bible is credible, not you.

you think it's not happened because the eye dont see everything about the unknown.

This is what your not seeing, Why would a new temple a mosque be considered holy 🤔

"in tribulations for many years" is not the same as "tribulation ended in 70 A.D." So no, you did not include that option, which is fine, it's your survey.

And the Bible does not support you

Who, said it was holy?

jesus told them when they see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place.

that was even possible in 70:ad, you could not see inside any temple

oh I see oops sorry I will happily make that an option for you next time.

Who do you think was the man who set him self up as God was that got revealed .

where going round in circles here how about some coffee

who do you think Jesus was speaking to when he said in Mathew 24 you will see this, or you will see that over and and over again.

This is a clue for my perspective, if you acknowledge what I'm asking then hopefully the circles will stop

Another clue for my perspective is which generation was Jesus speaking about in Mathew 24

Everyone has a theory and everyone is convinced they are right and everyone else is wrong, the arrogance around this topic is repulsive. The truth is no one knows, if you don't know when the rapture is then you don't know when the last seven years are and then everything else you think you know is impossible to substantiate.

I feel Jesus was talking to his disciples of what they would also see in there after life.

And what they would see before there after life in Mathew 24

I believe tribulation started after Jesus was crucified and has not stopped yet,

What I believe is they will get greater.

The disciples will see more than us.

For me there has to be a set period for all to receive the lord before he returns again, which would be his third coming.

1 coming in the flesh
2nd coming happened already in rev 1
3rd coming hopefully next week

That's simple for me, dates and timelines and millions of mixed up clues is to puzzling to me.

I normally work out puzzles but I have never worked out all the other theories.

Prophecy 🤔
The lords first coming in the flesh and in weakness, another coming is in the souls and another coming when all flesh shall see the glory of God 😊

Every valley shall be filled in

every mountain and hill made low

The crooked roads made straight

The roughs made smooth

And all people will see God's salvation.

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if you noticed Korea threatening war against the US in the news Clip

Well This news just in

Ukraine war: US says Russia using North Korea ballistic missiles
2 hours ago

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Image caption,
Ballistic missiles launched by Russia hit Ukraine's capital Kyiv on 2 January

Russia has used ballistic missiles and launchers supplied by North Korea in its war on Ukraine, the US has said.
National Security Council spokesman John Kirby called it a "significant and concerning escalation" relating to Pyongyang's support for Russia.
He said the US would raise the matter at the UN Security Council and impose additional sanctions on those working to facilitate arms transfers.
Moscow has denied any such collaboration.
However, in September North Korean leader Kim Jong Un visited Russia to discuss potential military cooperation.
The US has previously accused Pyongyang of supplying Russia with weapons, but this is the first time US intelligence has shared details about ballistic missiles - self-guided rockets that can reach targets 900km (500 miles) away.

I think it will be the man spoken of in Dan 9 that confirms a covenant with many for 1 week (7 years) but in the middle of the week. He will enter the holy place and place an abominable object making the holy place unclean

To determin who he is, he is the promise to come, and his people destroyed the city and sanctuary in 70 AD.. Which would make him come from Rome, or the final Gentile world power who holds sway over the land of Israel as spoken of in Dan 2, Dan 7 and many other places

the generation that is alive when those things happen..