The Commandments of God (according to scripture)

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The first 4 commandments are how we love God.

3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lordmade the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The last 6 how to love our neighbor

12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lordyour God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

Jesus expanded what it means to have God’s law in our hearts quoting from the Ten Mat 5:19-30

From tables of stone (God's law on stone for its eternal nature Deut 4:13) to tablets of the heart ( God's law in the heart Heb 8:10) and Jesus shows us exactly what this looks like giving two examples as principles quoting right from the Ten Commandments applying the Ten not only keeping the letter but also applying it to our thoughts and feelings where sin and matters of the heart start from. If one removes anger and contempt from our hearts, thou shalt not murder would automatically be kept. This is how we keep the law in our heart, and it applies to all Ten Commandments as Jesus said not to break the least of these and the spirit of the law is greater, not lessor.

Matthew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old (Old Covenant) , ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment.(New Covenant in Action) And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.
27 “You have heard that it was said [i]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Not only should we literally not commit adultery or murder or breaking the least of these commandments we should not even think it the heart, where sin starts in the heart and what the new covenant is about God's law in our hearts Heb 8:10
I know what the commandments are. How do you keep them? Lay it out for me. How do you love as Jesus loved? What is required by the commandment? How do you fulfill it?
 
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Pay close attention to verse 20. Matthew 5:20 - "unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven," this statement from Jesus would come as a shock to the multitude of people who had great admiration of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, for their knowledge of the law and seeming righteousness and holiness in external observance of the law, yet Jesus points out their righteousness was defective.

Paul makes it clear in Romans 10:3-4, "For they (Israel) being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who BELIEVES."

We see in the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector an example of those who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, yet despised others. (Luke 18:9-14) We also see this today with various modern day Pharisees. The righteousness that exceeds the "righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees" (self righteousness) is the righteousness of God which is from God by faith.

Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.

Jesus was addressing the Pharisees and teachers of the law here.

So according to you, there is nothing new about the new covenant. It is simply the old covenant repackaged.

These are not genuine believers in Matthew 7:21-23. Jesus never knew them which means they were never saved. They were trusting in their works for salvation and not in Christ alone.

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
I agree the Pharisees righteousness was defective. Jesus made that clear in His teachings and here is a good example of it again Jesus teaching right from the Ten Commandments so our righteousness needs to exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees otherwise we are not entering His kingdom according to Jesus. Mat 5:20. Can we too be like Pharisees when we follow their example? Jesus said when we keep our rules over God’s commandments our hearts are far from Him and one worships in vain (false worship- compared to Rev 14:12) Jesus went on to say when one does this both teacher and student who follow mans traditions over the commandments of God both student and teacher end up in a ditch- which means off the narrow path- much like His teaching in Mat 5:19

The Pharisees were teaching their rules above the commandments of God and Jesus quotes from the Ten Commandments.

Matthew 15: 15 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother,“Whatever profit you might have received from me isa gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father[a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”


10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
 
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I know what the commandments are. How do you keep them? Lay it out for me. How do you love as Jesus loved? What is required by the commandment? How do you fulfill it?
Not much different than how it is shown in scripture, its not meant to be burdensome, but a blessing I can’t do it alone, we all need the power of Jesus Christ John 14:15-18 and if we stumble along the way, which I sure do at times, we have Jesus as our. High Priest that if we go to Him and are truly sorry and repent and confess He will cleanse us of all sin and unrighteousness. But when Jesus healed He says go and sin no more and through His we can obey.
 

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I agree the Pharisees righteousness was defective. Jesus made that clear in His teachings and here is a good example of it again Jesus teaching right from the Ten Commandments so our righteousness needs to exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees otherwise we are not entering His kingdom according to Jesus. Mat 5:20. Can we too be like Pharisees when we follow their example? Jesus said when we keep our rules over God’s commandments our hearts are far from Him and one worships in vain (false worship- compared to Rev 14:12) Jesus went on to say when one does this both teacher and student who follow mans traditions over the commandments of God both student and teacher end up in a ditch- which means off the narrow path- much like His teaching in Mat 5:19

The Pharisees were teaching their rules above the commandments of God and Jesus quotes from the Ten Commandments.

Matthew 15: 15 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother,“Whatever profit you might have received from me isa gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father[a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”


10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
one little thing- gentiles were and are not under the Law of Moses.

" it shall be a statute forever for the children of Israel". meaning the nation state of the O. T.

one God, one Covenant , one Law, one nation. can't cut and paste.
 

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Not much different than how it is payed out in scripture. I can’t do it alone, we all need the power of Jesus Christ John 14:15-18 and if we stumble along the way, which I sure do at times, we have Jesus as our. High Priest that if we go to Him and are truly sorry and repent and confess He will cleanse us of all sin and unrighteousness.
If you don't know that is fine. But you tell us to keep commandments and have yet to tell us what is required of us or how to perform it. What is required to love as Jesus loves?
 
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one little thing- gentiles were and are not under the Law of Moses.

" it shall be a statute forever for the children of Israel". meaning the nation state of the O. T.

one God, one Covenant , one Law, one nation. can't cut and paste.
I’m not referring to the law of Moses handwritten by Moses that was placed outside the ark.

I am referring to God’s covenant that He alone wrote and He alone spoke that was placed inside the ark of the covenant that the earthy temple was a copy of God’s heavenly Temple Heb 8:1-5 where His Ten Commandments reside Rev 11:19 that Jesus refers to as the Word of God Mark 7

Deut 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He (God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

The same commandments Jesus and the apostles taught us to keep, Jesus warning us not to break or teach others to break the least of these which comes with some consequences Mat 5:19-30 as it is as it is the law that defines sin when broken Romans 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 what we will be judged by James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 hence why it is under His mercy seat. Kept by God’s faithful until the end of time Rev 12:17 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14-15

Need to run for now- will check back in later.

God bless!
 
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If you don't know that is fine. But you tell us to keep commandments and have yet to tell us what is required of us or how to perform it. What is required to love as Jesus loves?
I know, but I don’t go off a different plan that how God laid it out for us. It’s really not that hard or meant to be burdensome 1 John 5:3 Exodus 20 is very detailed and I believe God made it clear and simple that anyone can understand- but we always need the power of Jesus to carry out His commands. Jesus also expand on it through His teachings. It seems like you are asking me to write something different than how the scriptures tell us to obey Him, when we go away from His Word, it is no longer coming from God. Isa 8:20
 

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I know, but I don’t go off a different plan that how God laid it out for us. It’s really not that hard or meant to be burdensome 1 John 5:3 Exodus 20 is very detailed and I believe God made it clear and simple that anyone can understand- but we always need the power of Jesus to carry out His commands. Jesus also expand on it through His teachings. It seems like you are asking me to write something different than how the scriptures tell us to obey Him, when we go away from His Word, it is no longer coming from God. Isa 8:20
I'm not. I'm asking you what a commandment requires in order for that commandment to be obeyed. What does a person need to do to be able to say they have kept the commandment to love as Jesus loves.
I'll give you an easier one. What does one have to do to love God with all their heart?
 

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If you don't know that is fine. But you tell us to keep commandments and have yet to tell us what is required of us or how to perform it. What is required to love as Jesus loves?
I just want to point out that it is Jesus who asks us to follow the commandments, the requirements to love as Jesus loved are simple, follow, imitate what he did as best you can, Listen to his teachings, Jesus is the way to eternal Life. Jesus teachings are paramount and above all else.

Jhn 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Jhn 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Blessings.
 

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Israel was a name God gave to identify His people, it was both literal and metaphorical, now it is spiritual.
In a spiritual sense, Gentiles are to be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel. (Ephesians 3:1-9) In regard to the Church today, Jews and Gentiles alike may believe the gospel and be united together into one body. (Ephesians 1:13; 1 Corinthians 12:13) In a physical sense, God is not finished with Israel. Christians have replaced Israel as God’s covenant people. (Romans 11:25-29)

Gal 2:26-28, Romans 9:6 we are grafted in through faith.
Paul makes a distinction between the physical descendants of Israel and what is referred to as "true Israel." Paul says something similar to at the beginning of this letter in Romans 2:28-29: "For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter.." Paul is simply saying that not everyone who is descended from Israel, ethnically, belongs to "true Israel."

Those with faith uphold God’s law Romans 3:31 Rev 14:12
We uphold or establish the law by putting our faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and who offers us His perfect righteousness as a free gift. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9) Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4) Only those with genuine faith uphold or establish the law. "Nominal" Christians are simply going through the motions of law keeping legalism.

The New Covenant is still made with Israel, but through faith we are grafted in and God writes His law in our hearts and minds and gives us the power to obey Him through love and faith.
Gentiles are grafted in and the law is written in our hearts now and it's through Him that we obey. We love Him because He first loved us. (1 John 4:19) The love of God has been poured out in the hearts of believers by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. (Romans 5:5)

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Amen!

So when we get to the promises like when Jesus reveals His salvation that is about to come and His righteousness those with faith (not just Israel) hence- everyone who keeps His covenant will receive His promises- not just Israel
Believers are under the law of Christ and not the law of Moses. (1 Corinthians 9:21; Galatians 6:2)

Isaiah 56:1
56 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.


6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
Old Testament, old covenant. I already thoroughly explained this passage in Isaiah 56 to you in post #489. Did you even bother to read it?
 

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I just want to point out that it is Jesus who asks us to follow the commandments, the requirements to love as Jesus loved are simple, follow, imitate what he did as best you can, Listen to his teachings, Jesus is the way to eternal Life. Jesus teachings are paramount and above all else.

Jhn 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Jhn 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Blessings.
Awesome. What exactly do you copy? How do you know what you have done has fulfilled the commandment? The best we can? That fulfills the commandment?
I'm hearing a number of people asking me to obey, but are unable to explain what obedience looks like. I see vague references, yet no one is able to say what obedience to a commandment actually entails. How do you know when you have actually performed all that a particular commandment commands? How do you know when you haven't?
The fact is, for all the demanding to keep commandments, you and others can't answer the questions. Neither can you tell anyone what the scripture teaches on the subject. You put a yoke on people that is heavy. Now tell me how Jesus lightens the load.
 

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I agree the Pharisees righteousness was defective. Jesus made that clear in His teachings and here is a good example of it again Jesus teaching right from the Ten Commandments so our righteousness needs to exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees otherwise we are not entering His kingdom according to Jesus. Mat 5:20. Can we too be like Pharisees when we follow their example? Jesus said when we keep our rules over God’s commandments our hearts are far from Him and one worships in vain (false worship- compared to Rev 14:12) Jesus went on to say when one does this both teacher and student who follow mans traditions over the commandments of God both student and teacher end up in a ditch- which means off the narrow path- much like His teaching in Mat 5:19
If you don't believe the gospel (2 Corinthians 4:3,4) then your righteousness does not exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees no matter how much so called obedience to the 10 commandments that you set out to accomplish as a legalistic means to obtaining salvation by works. It's not our own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith. (Philippians 3:9)

The Pharisees were teaching their rules above the commandments of God and Jesus quotes from the Ten Commandments.
Seventh-day Adventism professes to teach salvation by grace through faith, but they redefine this to "add" works to grace which culminates in "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works." Seventh-day Adventism puts a false gospel above the true gospel which is the power of God unto salvation for everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 1:18-21) Seventh-day Adventism has some strange doctrines and a false prophetess as explained in multiple articles below from a former SDA:

The Truth about the Seventh-day Adventist Church (nonsda.org)

One of the most ludicrous SDA doctrines that I have ever heard is that near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. o_O

Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast (nonsda.org)

Matthew 15: 15 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”
These scribes and Pharisees had bigger problems than simply transgressing the tradition of the elders. They rejected Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and were in unbelief. (John 3:18)

3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother,“ Whatever profit you might have received from me isa gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father[a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”
They were certainly guilty of that. The heart of the issue though stemmed from a heart of unbelief. We have plenty of people today who attend various false religions and cults (who claim to be Christians) that draw near to Jesus with their mouth, but their heart is far from Him. They too are in unbelief because they embrace a false gospel.

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
We have plenty of blind leaders of the blind today in various false religions and cults who pervert the gospel. They may have a difference in style from the Pharisees, but it's still the same in substance--"works based" false gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)
 

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Awesome. What exactly do you copy? How do you know what you have done has fulfilled the commandment? The best we can? That fulfills the commandment?
I'm hearing a number of people asking me to obey, but are unable to explain what obedience looks like. I see vague references, yet no one is able to say what obedience to a commandment actually entails. How do you know when you have actually performed all that a particular commandment commands? How do you know when you haven't?
The fact is, for all the demanding to keep commandments, you and others can't answer the questions. Neither can you tell anyone what the scripture teaches on the subject. You put a yoke on people that is heavy. Now tell me how Jesus lightens the load.
I do not want to insult you in any way but I do not understand what you mean, the commandments are a simple short list of things to do or not to do. They are like a moral compass so you will nor forget, it is that simple, like you shall not kill etc...
if everyone followed these commandments, earth would be a good place to live peacefully. As you know very well Jesus said in John 14:15;
"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."

Jesus summarized them saying;

Mat 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.



For me personally the hardest one to follow if the sabbath, no one in my entourage believes, they do not follow Saturday or even Sunday as a day of rest, or worship. I avoid doing any kind or regular work on Saturday, I stay quiet read and meditate on the bible that day. However if someone needs my help for something, on Saturday, out of love for them, I will go.

I certainly do not follow the commandments like the Jews and their millions of small details that they invented thinking it pleases GOD. GOD wants us to be loving to one another and have a pure heart. In this world, I admit is is a difficult task simply because of what the world has turned into at this time, what is wrong, people call right and what is right becomes wrong, the latest example would be the gender theory stating that there is more than 2 sexes...., transgender men can now participate in women's sports events and in general people accept this!
it is hard to keep away from all this madness without living in a cabin in the woods.

One thing I can tell you is that when I started to follow the commandments it changed me gradually, I am a better person for it and still I am changing, I think almost of the time of GOD and Jesus, they are always in my mind, The love I have for them is hard to describe. The more you try to please GOD by following his ways, the closer he will get to you, and reveals things to you, this is certain.

If you have specific questions do ask me I will reply if I can, always in complete honesty and it will be accompanied by proper scripture always. I am not part of any church or denomination simply because I could never find a church that follows GOD's word perfectly. What I follow is what is in the Bible and above all else Jesus's teachings that are simple to understand and so amazing, this is what I follow from the heart and by choice not by obligation.

I still have a lot to learn but what I know for certain I write here, what I do not know I would not discuss and will say so.

Blessings.
 

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I do not want to insult you in any way but I do not understand what you mean, the commandments are a simple short list of things to do or not to do. They are like a moral compass so you will nor forget, it is that simple, like you shall not kill etc...
if everyone followed these commandments, earth would be a good place to live peacefully. As you know very well Jesus said in John 14:15;
"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."

Jesus summarized them saying;

Mat 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.



For me personally the hardest one to follow if the sabbath, no one in my entourage believes, they do not follow Saturday or even Sunday as a day of rest, or worship. I avoid doing any kind or regular work on Saturday, I stay quiet read and meditate on the bible that day. However if someone needs my help for something, on Saturday, out of love for them, I will go.

I certainly do not follow the commandments like the Jews and their millions of small details that they invented thinking it pleases GOD. GOD wants us to be loving to one another and have a pure heart. In this world, I admit is is a difficult task simply because of what the world has turned into at this time, what is wrong, people call right and what is right becomes wrong, the latest example would be the gender theory stating that there is more than 2 sexes...., transgender men can now participate in women's sports events and in general people accept this!
it is hard to keep away from all this madness without living in a cabin in the woods.

One thing I can tell you is that when I started to follow the commandments it changed me gradually, I am a better person for it and still I am changing, I think almost of the time of GOD and Jesus, they are always in my mind, The love I have for them is hard to describe. The more you try to please GOD by following his ways, the closer he will get to you, and reveals things to you, this is certain.

If you have specific questions do ask me I will reply if I can, always in complete honesty and it will be accompanied by proper scripture always. I am not part of any church or denomination simply because I could never find a church that follows GOD's word perfectly. What I follow is what is in the Bible and above all else Jesus's teachings that are simple to understand and so amazing, this is what I follow from the heart and by choice not by obligation.

I still have a lot to learn but what I know for certain I write here, what I do not know I would not discuss and will say so.

Blessings.
I appreciate the tenor of your response. But every commandment comes with requirements to fulfill it. I'm not talking about the ridiculous extremes that the Pharisees went to try to boil commandments down to a set of does and don'ts. I'm talking about what the law actually entails.
Let me try an example. What does it mean to not take the Lord's name in vain? What is the commandment actually forbidding? What would be an example of that? What does it mean that someone will not be held guiltless? Is this temporal guilt or eternal? How does this apply to the Christian?
Keeping the commandments aren't so simple. If someone is going to tout the law, they ought to be able to know enough about it than a bunch of platitudes about keeping it. They ought to be able to explain it and give others an understanding of it. I'm all for keeping commandments. So let me share how:

No one keeps commandments by trying to keep commandments. No one even knows all the commandments and what is entailed in keeping them. Even if they did, no one has the capability to bring all that information top of mind at any time. And even if they could, would they be doing it with the right motive and with all that is in them?
The only way anyone will ever obey is as they walk in the Spirit. Christ actively living in a person alone is what God finds acceptable because He alone can fulfill every aspect of every law. This is what advocates of the law should teach. Otherwise, they are merely placing yokes on believers and not lifting a finger to help.
 
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I appreciate the tenor of your response. But every commandment comes with requirements to fulfill it. I'm not talking about the ridiculous extremes that the Pharisees went to try to boil commandments down to a set of does and don'ts. I'm talking about what the law actually entails.
Let me try an example. What does it mean to not take the Lord's name in vain? What is the commandment actually forbidding? What would be an example of that? What does it mean that someone will not be held guiltless? Is this temporal guilt or eternal? How does this apply to the Christian?
Keeping the commandments aren't so simple. If someone is going to tout the law, they ought to be able to know enough about it than a bunch of platitudes about keeping it. They ought to be able to explain it and give others an understanding of it. I'm all for keeping commandments. So let me share how:

No one keeps commandments by trying to keep commandments. No one even knows all the commandments and what is entailed in keeping them. Even if they did, no one has the capability to bring all that information top of mind at any time. And even if they could, would they be doing it with the right motive and with all that is in them?
The only way anyone will ever obey is as they walk in the Spirit. Christ actively living in a person alone is what God finds acceptable because He alone can fulfill every aspect of every law. This is what advocates of the law should teach. Otherwise, they are merely placing yokes on believers and not lifting a finger to help.
I will answer this about taking God’s name in vain and like every commandment there is a literal and spiritual aspect to it. The obvious part to not taking God’s name in vain is to only use His name in a holy manner. I stopped watching almost all secular TV because how many times do you hear them take God’s holy name in vain, even PG shows, the meta message of secular TV is devastating to the Christian mind. The deeper aspect to breaking this commandment is when we claim the name of Jesus claim to be a Christian but are not living holy lives and not representing Christ in a respectful manner, this is another way to vain God’s name.
 

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I will answer this about taking God’s name in vain and like every commandment there is a literal and spiritual aspect to it. The obvious part to not taking God’s name in vain is to only use His name in a holy manner. I stopped watching almost all secular TV because how many times do you hear them take God’s holy name in vain, even PG shows, the meta message of secular TV is devastating to the Christian mind. The deeper aspect to breaking this commandment is when we claim the name of Jesus claim to be a Christian but are not living holy lives and not representing Christ in a respectful manner, this is another way to vain God’s name.
The commandment is much more than this. And you only answered part of one of my questions. I didn't ask the questions because I didn't know the answer. I asked the question to show people they don't even keep the most rudimentary of commandments. The commandments are a teacher. They are designed to show us our utter inability to keep them, and to look for another way to get to God. Viola...perhaps Christ. Good choice. Otherwise, God will not hold you guiltless for all the times you did take His name in vain.
Better to just share Jesus Christ and Him crucified. The Holy Spirit knows how to lead people into righteousness. You can convince people all day to follow the law. It won't lead them into righteousness. It will only lead them into self-righteousness.
 

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I appreciate the tenor of your response. But every commandment comes with requirements to fulfill it. I'm not talking about the ridiculous extremes that the Pharisees went to try to boil commandments down to a set of does and don'ts. I'm talking about what the law actually entails.
Let me try an example. What does it mean to not take the Lord's name in vain? What is the commandment actually forbidding? What would be an example of that? What does it mean that someone will not be held guiltless? Is this temporal guilt or eternal? How does this apply to the Christian?
Keeping the commandments aren't so simple. If someone is going to tout the law, they ought to be able to know enough about it than a bunch of platitudes about keeping it. They ought to be able to explain it and give others an understanding of it. I'm all for keeping commandments. So let me share how:

No one keeps commandments by trying to keep commandments. No one even knows all the commandments and what is entailed in keeping them. Even if they did, no one has the capability to bring all that information top of mind at any time. And even if they could, would they be doing it with the right motive and with all that is in them?
The only way anyone will ever obey is as they walk in the Spirit. Christ actively living in a person alone is what God finds acceptable because He alone can fulfill every aspect of every law. This is what advocates of the law should teach. Otherwise, they are merely placing yokes on believers and not lifting a finger to help.
 

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Hi Cameron, I an willing to go through the 10 commandments with you and explain as best I can with scripture, I know many have heard and say they are impossible to follow, these are words of men though by men. The lord says otherwise, you have heard on this forum that scripture says they are not grievous, (1 John 5:3) his is true and from scripture, they are not my words. I did think also a long time ago that they were hard to keep but today with a better understanding and practice I see clearly it is not so. It is something you learn and have to practice it simply takes time.

As for the commandment you mentioned;

Exo 20:7 You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave anyone unpunished who takes His name in vain.

People then also a bit like today were swearing on the name of the LORD, this is wrong as Jesus thought us in matthew;

Mat 5:33 Again, you have heard that it was said to the ancients, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill your vows to the Lord.’
Mat 5:34 But I tell you not to swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne;
Mat 5:35 or by the earth, for it is His footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.
Mat 5:36 Nor should you swear by your head, for you cannot make a single hair white or black.
Mat 5:37 Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ Anything more comes from the evil one.

Also to not use the name of the lord in vain means not to use the name of GOD falsely as an example a false prophet will claim they are speaking in the name of the Lord, this is clearly wrong, there is a punishment for those who in full knowledge use His name wrongly;

Also we should not use his name lightly or carelessly. by using certain expressions, like OMG.
GOD is very HOLY it is hard to Imagine, but the ground he is on becomes Holy in his presence, there is a holiness and absolute purity that surrounds him. Many examples from scripture;
Exo 3:5 “Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.”

His Holiness commands of us to use his name properly with reverence. GOD being GOD and forgiving, I am confident that if we accidentally use his name in a bad way out of habit but try hard not to do so he forgives us. as for the false prophet using his name to deceive, this is different and almost certainly will not let it be unpunished many warnings in the O.T and with good reason.

Always willing to discuss further,
Blessings and Good Night.
 

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Hi Cameron, I an willing to go through the 10 commandments with you and explain as best I can with scripture, I know many have heard and say they are impossible to follow, these are words of men though by men. The lord says otherwise, you have heard on this forum that scripture says they are not grievous, (1 John 5:3) his is true and from scripture, they are not my words. I did think also a long time ago that they were hard to keep but today with a better understanding and practice I see clearly it is not so. It is something you learn and have to practice it simply takes time.

As for the commandment you mentioned;

Exo 20:7 You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave anyone unpunished who takes His name in vain.

People then also a bit like today were swearing on the name of the LORD, this is wrong as Jesus thought us in matthew;

Mat 5:33 Again, you have heard that it was said to the ancients, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill your vows to the Lord.’
Mat 5:34 But I tell you not to swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne;
Mat 5:35 or by the earth, for it is His footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.
Mat 5:36 Nor should you swear by your head, for you cannot make a single hair white or black.
Mat 5:37 Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ Anything more comes from the evil one.

Also to not use the name of the lord in vain means not to use the name of GOD falsely as an example a false prophet will claim they are speaking in the name of the Lord, this is clearly wrong, there is a punishment for those who in full knowledge use His name wrongly;

Also we should not use his name lightly or carelessly. by using certain expressions, like OMG.
GOD is very HOLY it is hard to Imagine, but the ground he is on becomes Holy in his presence, there is a holiness and absolute purity that surrounds him. Many examples from scripture;
Exo 3:5 “Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.”

His Holiness commands of us to use his name properly with reverence. GOD being GOD and forgiving, I am confident that if we accidentally use his name in a bad way out of habit but try hard not to do so he forgives us. as for the false prophet using his name to deceive, this is different and almost certainly will not let it be unpunished many warnings in the O.T and with good reason.

Always willing to discuss further,
Blessings and Good Night.
Blessings as always brother. I appreciate you sharing as you do. But I'm not looking for an explanation of the commandments. There are a number of excellent sources to explain the commandments.
Neither is my purpose to suggest that the commandments are grievous. But grievous doesn't mean difficult; it means painful or burdensome. As Christians, we delight in the law of the Lord. We are yoked to Jesus. Our burden is light. This is why they aren't grievous.
My intention is to show that regardless of our responsibility to obey, we don't possess in and of ourselves the ability to do so. It isn't because our heart's desire isn't right. It is because of the weakness of our flesh. We can purpose all we like, but we alone will fail. That's why giving the law greater preeminence than Christ is so dangerous. People try to keep the commandments independently of Jesus.
Did you ever wonder why God used to walk each day in the garden with Adam and Eve? It wasn't for God's sake. It was for their good. Most Christians understand that we all come into this world spiritually broken. But this isn't the extent of human weakness. We were not created to live independently of God. Psalm 23:1 didn't just become true when it was written. We were created to glorify God. God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him. And it is as He shepherds us that we are satisfied in Him.
It's never wrong to promote obedience. But to lead someone to believe it is possible apart from Christ doesn't promote dependence, but independence. And apart from Christ we can do nothing.
 

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The commandments are a teacher. They are designed to show us our utter inability to keep them, and to look for another way to get to God. Viola...perhaps Christ. Good choice.
Galatians 3:24 - Therefore the Law has become our tutor/schoolmaster to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor/schoolmaster. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Otherwise, God will not hold you guiltless for all the times you did take His name in vain.
Romans 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Better to just share Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
1 Corinthians 2:1 - And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3 I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

The Holy Spirit knows how to lead people into righteousness. You can convince people all day to follow the law. It won't lead them into righteousness. It will only lead them into self-righteousness.
Philippians 3:8 - Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.