Mary; Mary; Mary.

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10-22-27

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I will do the best I can to explain the following. If you see any errors, please let me know.

Those who claim the Scriptures have errors or that men have corrupted the Bible are foolish, having built their objections on the sand of the sea. There is no contradiction in the four gospels concerning the discovery by the women that the tomb of the resurrected Christ was now empty.

Let me introduce to you all the Mary’s who knew Jesus.
Mary, the mother of Jesus.
Mary Magdalene.
Mary, the mother of James and John Mark, wife of Zebedee
Mary is the wife of Cleophas and the mother of James. Matthew 28:1, Cleophas and Alpheus are the same man.
Mary, sister of Lazarus
Mary Salome, mother of James the less.

Matthew 28:1: In the morning, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb where Jesus lay. With her were Mary, the mother of James, and Mary Salome, the mother of James the less; see Mark 16:1.

Luke tells us there were other women who went to Jesus’ tomb with these three: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Mary Salome. Matthew mentions only two of the above. There is no mention that they had entered the tomb here. Also, Matthew does not tell us which group of women departed to tell the disciples.

Matthew 28:1; “At the end of the Sabbath as it began to dawn toward the first of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (mother of James) to see the sepulcher.”

In the above, Matthew does not speak of Mary Salome, which Mark mentions. He is referring to “the other Mary,” who was Mary, the wife of Cleopas, the mother of James. She is spoken of in Matthew 25:56.

Matthew has introduced both Mary Magdalene and Mary, the wife of Zebedee and the mother of James and John. But Luke also reports that other women were with them.

Mark 16:1, “When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Mary Salome mother of James the less, had brought sweet spices.”

Mark 16:5 tells us they entered into the tomb. We are not told which of them entered. Mark tells us that those who entered the tomb saw a young man who told them about the raised Lord. We know two men were in the tomb, but Mark refers only to the one speaking to the women. Now Matthew tells us the women go to tell the disciples and Peter that Jesus has already gone to Galilee.
Mark 16:9 tells us Jesus first appears to Mary Magdalene.

Luke 24:1, “Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they (all the women) came unto the sepulcher, bringing spices which they had prepared.”

Verse 10, “It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna (wife of Chuza) and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.”

The women find the stone rolled away, and several of them enter. Luke does not tell us who they are, but we know Mary Magdalene remained outside the tomb. Two men were standing by the women who had entered the tomb, and only one of the two spoke. Then the women left and went to the eleven apostles.

Luke 23:10 sums up that Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and other women with them had told these things to the apostles. All the women eventually went to the apostles.

John 20:1 Speaks only of Mary Magdalene; what John relates concerning the resurrection is collected from the account Mary Magdalene gave and his personal observation.

John 20:1-2, and 11-18. Mary Magdalene relates she had gone to the tomb early while it was still dark. She makes no mention of the other women she was with. The stone was rolled back; it skips what happened between that moment and her seeing Jesus. She then runs off to tell Simon Peter and the other disciples about Jesus having been resurrected.

But John 20:11 tells the rest of the story. Mary is standing outside the tomb crying. She looks into the tomb where several other women had gone. Those who had gone into the tomb saw two men; one of the men spoke to them. One man was sitting where Jesus’ feet would have been and the other where his head was.

These two men are inside the tomb; one speaks to the women in the tomb, the other to Mary standing outside the tomb. When the women entered the tomb, the two men stood. One of the men inside the tomb asks Mary who is standing outside, why are you crying?

Mary replied, “Because the body of Jesus had been taken away.” Mary Magdalene turned, still standing outside the tomb, and saw a man she thought was in the Gardner. She recognizes Him after He speaks to her, then tells her, “Touch me not.” Then, with the other women, she goes and tells the disciples.
 
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I will do the best I can to explain the following. If you see any errors, please let me know.

Those who claim the Scriptures have errors or that men have corrupted the Bible are foolish, having built their objections on the sand of the sea. There is no contradiction in the four gospels concerning the discovery by the women that the tomb of the resurrected Christ was now empty.

Let me introduce to you all the Mary’s who knew Jesus.
Mary, the mother of Jesus.
Mary Magdalene.
Mary, the mother of James and John Mark, wife of Zebedee
Mary is the wife of Cleophas and the mother of James. Matthew 28:1, Cleophas and Alpheus are the same man.
Mary, sister of Lazarus
Mary Salome, mother of James the less.

Matthew 28:1: In the morning, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb where Jesus lay. With her were Mary, the mother of James, and Mary Salome, the mother of James the less; see Mark 16:1.

Luke tells us there were other women who went to Jesus’ tomb with these three: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Mary Salome. Matthew mentions only two of the above. There is no mention that they had entered the tomb here. Also, Matthew does not tell us which group of women departed to tell the disciples.

Matthew 28:1; “At the end of the Sabbath as it began to dawn toward the first of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (mother of James) to see the sepulcher.”

In the above, Matthew does not speak of Mary Salome, which Mark mentions. He is referring to “the other Mary,” who was Mary, the wife of Cleopas, the mother of James. She is spoken of in Matthew 25:56.

Matthew has introduced both Mary Magdalene and Mary, the wife of Zebedee and the mother of James and John. But Luke also reports that other women were with them.

Mark 16:1, “When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Mary Salome mother of James the less, had brought sweet spices.”

Mark 16:5 tells us they entered into the tomb. We are not told which of them entered. Mark tells us that those who entered the tomb saw a young man who told them about the raised Lord. We know two men were in the tomb, but Mark refers only to the one speaking to the women. Now Matthew tells us the women go to tell the disciples and Peter that Jesus has already gone to Galilee.
Mark 16:9 tells us Jesus first appears to Mary Magdalene.

Luke 24:1, “Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they (all the women) came unto the sepulcher, bringing spices which they had prepared.”

Verse 10, “It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna (wife of Chuza) and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.”

The women find the stone rolled away, and several of them enter. Luke does not tell us who they are, but we know Mary Magdalene remained outside the tomb. Two men were standing by the women who had entered the tomb, and only one of the two spoke. Then the women left and went to the eleven apostles.

Luke 23:10 sums up that Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and other women with them had told these things to the apostles. All the women eventually went to the apostles.

John 20:1 Speaks only of Mary Magdalene; what John relates concerning the resurrection is collected from the account Mary Magdalene gave and his personal observation.

John 20:1-2, and 11-18. Mary Magdalene relates she had gone to the tomb early while it was still dark. She makes no mention of the other women she was with. The stone was rolled back; it skips what happened between that moment and her seeing Jesus. She then runs off to tell Simon Peter and the other disciples about Jesus having been resurrected.

But John 20:11 tells the rest of the story. Mary is standing outside the tomb crying. She looks into the tomb where several other women had gone. Those who had gone into the tomb saw two men; one of the men spoke to them. One man was sitting where Jesus’ feet would have been and the other where his head was.

These two men are inside the tomb; one speaks to the women in the tomb, the other to Mary standing outside the tomb. When the women entered the tomb, the two men stood. One of the men inside the tomb asks Mary who is standing outside, why are you crying?

Mary replied, “Because the body of Jesus had been taken away.” Mary Magdalene turned, still standing outside the tomb, and saw a man she thought was in the Gardner. She recognizes Him after He speaks to her, then tells her, “Touch me not.” Then, with the other women, she goes and tells the disciples.
honestly I think you need help with dimentur.

Why would you need to introduce us to Mary 🤔

And why are you claiming others have a problems with errors in the bible when it is your self who does.

Sir you need help go and see your doctor you have dementia
 

10-22-27

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honestly I think you need help with dimentur.

Why would you need to introduce us to Mary 🤔

And why are you claiming others have a problems with errors in the bible when it is your self who does.

Sir you need help go and see your doctor you have dementia
Read my article at your own risk.
 
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Did you miss the agnostic who visited us yesterday? One of his threads was about Mary.
I saw an agnostic yes but never saw the need to have any meaningful discussion with him.

But do i feal a need to discuss this with @10-22-27 but I'm really struggling to make sense of his threads.

If this thread is about correctly correcting an agnostic view then it should be on that bases.

But it seems to be about correcting many people 🤔.

I never realised that this thread is about an agnostic view shared yesterday.

If it is about just that, it should have been invited to talk about in a different light than it is.

It feels strange to say the least.

Of if I should take it this thread is solely about yesterday then I have to look at the poster motives, is he being confrontational or inciting the same sort of trouble 🤔
 

Magenta

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If this thread is about correctly correcting an agnostic view then it should be on that bases.
His threads were closed to further replies, and he was banned.

If it is about just that, it should have been invited to talk about in a different light than it is.
Why?

But it seems to be about correcting many people 🤔.
It is informative any way I look at it.

Telling someone they have dementia because you don't like their thread/s is a bit much.

And while we are on about how things are presented, please install a spell-checker, and use grammarly.
 
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His threads were closed to further replies, and he was banned.


Why? It is informative none-the-less.

Telling someone they have dementia because you don't like their thread/s is a bit much.
ok well I'll just take a back seat now,


now that where in disagreement of someone who's out to cause trouble.

Once again his victim card shines through.
 

10-22-27

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I saw an agnostic yes but never saw the need to have any meaningful discussion with him.

But do feal a need to discuss this with @10-22-27 but I'm really struggling to make sense of his threads.

If this thread is about correctly correcting an agnostic view then it should be on that bases.

But it seems to be about correcting many people 🤔.

I never realised that this thread is about an agnostic view shared yesterday.

If it is about just that it should have been invited to talk about in a different light than it is.

It feels strange to say the least.

Of I take it this thread is solely about yesterday then I have to look at the poster is being to confrontational or inciting the same sort of trouble
It's one thing to show someone the error of their ways, but quite another to put them in possession of the truth.

 

Eli1

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Did you miss the agnostic who visited us yesterday? One of his threads was about Mary.
Calling him "Agnostic" it would give him too much credit.
He's an average troll using trolling techniques from the 90s. :LOL:
Create vague topics and then make fun of the participants.

A genuine atheist or agnostic is very different from this troll who's been trolling around for months in this forum with this technique.
 

Magenta

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Calling him "Agnostic" it would give him too much credit.
He's an average troll using trolling techniques from the 90s. :LOL:
Create vague topics and then make fun of the participants.

A genuine atheist or agnostic is very different from this troll who's been trolling around for months in this forum with this technique.
Whatever else he may have been, agnostic also fits, because he did not believe God could be known .:):geek:

I think we had him on the hook quite a few times .:D

That is to say, he could not answer. And yes, they come here to mock and scoff.

He said a number of very contradictory things.

His presentation needs much more polish! LOL
 

Magenta

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He's an average troll using trolling techniques from the 90s. :LOL:
That was well before my time, as I was not yet a Christian, or even online at that time .:unsure::)

However, within three years of my baptism just over 19 years ago, I was online taking to
non-believers of various stripes, which I did over the course of 8 years before landing here
;.:D
 
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His threads were closed to further replies, and he was banned.


Why?

It is informative any way I look at it.

Telling someone they have dementia because you don't like their thread/s is a bit much.

And while we are on about how things are presented, please install a spell-checker, and use grammarly.
He's now claiming satan can go down into hell get a hold of Hitler and rise as Hitler in the flesh ?.

This is also in comparison with him claiming Jesus was preaching to demons in another thread.

Now he's trying to convince people his ideas are correct.

Tell me magenta how long do I have to put up with this.

Magenta he has dementia and needs help.

Your wrong magenta about me responding the way I am because I don't like his threads.

You are so wrong.