Does the sovereignty of God nullify the grace of God?

I do not fail to see anything especially your sad attempt at claiming Romans 1:19- are about Christians. If you think people can follow God + be in a classification as an abomination to God is enough for me to realize you don't understand much of anything concerning our God.

I agree. Knowing God is much deeper than believing things about God.

But they would never have met to deepen that "knowing about" into "knowing" unless the bride had described herself to the potential to-be husband and he had valued the qualities she revealed she had. If he had valued these less than the ability to make money or fix broken machinery, he would have rejected from the start developing a relationship with her.

Regardless, your question was essentially whether it is more loving to A. give the bride the choice of her husband, or B. for the would-be husband to kidnap the bride without her consent in order for him later, after consummating the marriage, to win her over. I would say option A.

I didn't mention anything about "forcing" anyone. Why are you offended by a response I did not give?

Really? Kidnap the bride doesn't strike you as forcing?

What do you mean by force?

I am very knowledgeable of the false theory that you teach. You will never grasp how wonderful God's grace and mercy is, unless you first understand how depraved and filthy you are when you are walking (committing sin) in the flesh, in which every one of God's born again children do every now and then (1 John I:8-10).(Rom 7:19-25).

If what I write is false, how come you are the only one trying to say Christians can be homosexual, which is an abomination unto God (His words through Paul) and no one else is calling me wrong?

To anyone who reads every post. Can a Christian also be an abomination unto God? Can a Follower of God be homosexual who lives a lifestyle of same sex in marriage, activity, choices, intimacy?

You will never understand the grace of God, until you understand how filthy that you are, when you are walking in the flesh.

You act like what God calls an abomination can also be a Christian. That's literally impossible. A true conversion in Christ would not also be doing something that God defines as an abomination. There are no "true Christians" that daily practice homosexuality. Those are not people saved at all. Those are people who reject God and going to Hell. The fact You call them Christians shows You don't believe what God calls as an abomination. I personally go with what God says.

Some things are apparent and clarification isn't desired for understanding, but for sake of argument. Grace and peace.

So do I go by what God says. He says that when you are walking in the flesh, your righteousness is as filthy rags. Do you believe what God calls filth rags?

If you think a person can live all his life as a homosexual without changing to become more like Christ, that God calls specifically an abomination to Himself, then have the audacity to classify them as a Christian, you are serving the wrong (g)od.

I think that we both are serving the same God, as well as most on this forum. The fact that you claim to be in agreement with most on this forum, as interpreting Romans one correctly, should open your eyes to the fact that the scriptures teach that very few have been given the knowledge of the doctrine of Christ (Matt 7:14 - life in this scripture is not eternal, but a life hereon earth of peace, and no fear) (Matt 20:16 - The few chosen are the remnant who has been revealed the knowledge of Christ's doctrine and the rest were blinded - Zeph 3:11-13) (Luke 10:2) Luke 12:32)

A practicing daily living homosexual and lifestyle can "never" be a Christian. Someone who has met God would "quit" being homosexual immediately.

A practicing daily living homosexual and lifestyle can "never" be a Christian. Someone who has met God would "quit" being homosexual immediately.

Trusting in the d,b,r for sins is not a work of the law.

When you have been brought up from the teaching of a false doctrine it becomes very hard to forsake it I was not revealed the knowledge of Christ's doctrine until I was 62 years old and am now 89. All I am asking is for you to consider all other scriptures that pertaining to the subject of the natural man's limitations. I believe that all scriptures must harmonize before we can understand the doctrine that Christ taught.

do you not believe that, If you are a teacher of the truth of God's word, you should be teaching the lost sheep of the house of Israel to repent and come unto a knowledge of the truth? Instead of condemning him to hell.

You only condemn others by not being honest with them. If you are "truly saved and found salvation in God," you won't keep doing what you used to do. If someone keeps on being a murderer after claiming to be saved, they were "never saved" in the first place. Saved people stop doing the things that God hates like homosexuality, murder, adultery, lying, witchcraft, having idols.

They say old age is the first step to deception.