Water Baptism-What is in a Name?
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Interestingly enough, looking at the Englishman's Concordance of the word used in the phrase, "baptized into Moses," in 1 Corinthians 10:2, there are four occurrences which include "clothed with a garment dipped in blood."
but the word is defined 'as with a preposition' in Section IIb of the Strong's NT: in Mark 1:9 to mark the element into which the immersion is made; in Matthew 3:11 to mark the end (John's baptism with water) and to bind one to repentance (Jesus' baptism with the Holy Spirit);
and to profess the name of one whose follower we become in Matthew 28:19; Acts 8:16; Acts 19:5; 1 Corinthians 1:13, 15 where in Acts 8:16 examples a baptism into Jesus because the Holy Spirit had not yet fallen on any of them. And this baptism into Jesus is defined as "to obtain the forgiveness of sins in Acts 2:38
this series of definitions also include 'to follow Moses as a leader, in 1 Corinthians 10:2 in the same Section IIb definition.
but the word is defined 'as with a preposition' in Section IIb of the Strong's NT: in Mark 1:9 to mark the element into which the immersion is made; in Matthew 3:11 to mark the end (John's baptism with water) and to bind one to repentance (Jesus' baptism with the Holy Spirit);
and to profess the name of one whose follower we become in Matthew 28:19; Acts 8:16; Acts 19:5; 1 Corinthians 1:13, 15 where in Acts 8:16 examples a baptism into Jesus because the Holy Spirit had not yet fallen on any of them. And this baptism into Jesus is defined as "to obtain the forgiveness of sins in Acts 2:38
this series of definitions also include 'to follow Moses as a leader, in 1 Corinthians 10:2 in the same Section IIb definition.
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Jesus is the final authority. He gave the command to use the NAME of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Scripture reveals the NAME is Jesus. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)
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"Matthew 28:19 is NOT an example of believers being baptized; it is the commission of Christ that must be fulfilled. Jesus instructed to baptize IN THE NAME, which both Scripture and history proves to be JESUS...
Jesus clearly stated that we make the word of God of none effect if we follow the traditions of men (Mark 7:13). He emphasized, “In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” (Mat. 15:9). (Also see Gal. 1:8, 9; 2 Tim. 4:3, 4 Deut. 4:2; Rev. 22:18, 19.)
“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For IN HIM DWELLETH ALL the fullness of the Godhead bodily, And ye are COMPLETE IN HIM, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are … BURIED WITH HIM IN BAPTISM, wherein also ye are risen with Him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised Him from the dead” (Col. 2:8-12). Ye are WASHED, ye are sanctified, ye are justified IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS, and by the Spirit of our God (1 Cor. 6:11). “Whatsoever ye do in word or deed, DO ALL IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Col. 3:17). There is only ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, AND ONE BAPTISM (Eph. 4:5).
“Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free” (John 8:32)." Excerpt from, “The Truth About Matthew 28:19,” written by Eddie Jones.
Again,
"Matthew 28:19 is NOT an example of believers being baptized; it is the commission of Christ that must be fulfilled. Jesus instructed to baptize IN THE NAME, which both Scripture and history proves to be JESUS...
Jesus clearly stated that we make the word of God of none effect if we follow the traditions of men (Mark 7:13). He emphasized, “In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” (Mat. 15:9). (Also see Gal. 1:8, 9; 2 Tim. 4:3, 4 Deut. 4:2; Rev. 22:18, 19.)
“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For IN HIM DWELLETH ALL the fullness of the Godhead bodily, And ye are COMPLETE IN HIM, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are … BURIED WITH HIM IN BAPTISM, wherein also ye are risen with Him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised Him from the dead” (Col. 2:8-12). Ye are WASHED, ye are sanctified, ye are justified IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS, and by the Spirit of our God (1 Cor. 6:11). “Whatsoever ye do in word or deed, DO ALL IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Col. 3:17). There is only ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, AND ONE BAPTISM (Eph. 4:5).
“Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free” (John 8:32)." Excerpt from, “The Truth About Matthew 28:19,” written by Eddie Jones.
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I found your post very interesting. Thank you for sharing it.
I did want to point out, however, that John's baptism was later modified to include the name of Jesus in accordance with His sacrifice. And as scripture reveals both being baptized in water in the name of Jesus and receiving the Holy Ghost are essential elements of the NT rebirth.
(Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)
Recently during my Bible study, I was drawn to something I never noticed before. Note what Jesus said after John objected to water baptizing Him and said I need to be baptized of you. Suffer it to be so now: for thus it BECOMETH US to fulfill all righteousness. Jesus' words imply both administering water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost are necessary elements of God's established plan of righteousness.
Matt 3:11-17
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it BECOMETH US to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
I did want to point out, however, that John's baptism was later modified to include the name of Jesus in accordance with His sacrifice. And as scripture reveals both being baptized in water in the name of Jesus and receiving the Holy Ghost are essential elements of the NT rebirth.
(Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)
Recently during my Bible study, I was drawn to something I never noticed before. Note what Jesus said after John objected to water baptizing Him and said I need to be baptized of you. Suffer it to be so now: for thus it BECOMETH US to fulfill all righteousness. Jesus' words imply both administering water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost are necessary elements of God's established plan of righteousness.
Matt 3:11-17
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it BECOMETH US to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
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Acts 2:38 is not the only record revealing water baptism is to be done in the name of Jesus. All other detailed records express the same thing. (Acts 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)
Also note the truth as expressed through the words of Jesus:
"I have MANIFESTED thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them." John 17:6-10
John 17:11
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, KEEP THROUGH THINE OWN NAME those whom thou hast given me, THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE."
Also note the truth as expressed through the words of Jesus:
"I have MANIFESTED thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them." John 17:6-10
John 17:11
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, KEEP THROUGH THINE OWN NAME those whom thou hast given me, THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE."
