Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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Too bad other defendants than Trump hasn’t got the means to demolish the prosecutor. Question still is whether what he did was foul play or not. Even if he does walk away from this on the grounds of an issue on the prosecutor’s part it doesn’t change the facts.
 

ZNP

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Even if he does walk away from this on the grounds of an issue on the prosecutor’s part it doesn’t change the facts.
Good point, the facts are this is what Trump said to Brad Raffensberger (part 1):

President Donald Trump: OK, thank you very much. Hello, Brad and Ryan and everybody. We appreciate the time and the call. So we’ve spent a lot of time on this. And if we could just go over some of the numbers, I think it’s pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially, Georgia. You even see it by rally side, frankly, we’d be getting 25-- 30,000 people a rally and the competition would get less than 100 people. And it never made sense.

But we have a number of things. We have at least 2 or 3 anywhere from 250 to 300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls. Much of that had to do with Fulton County, which hasn’t been checked. We think that if you check the signatures, a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County, you’ll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures of people with that who have been forged. And we are quite sure that’s going to happen. Another another tremendous number. We’re going to have an accurate number over the next two days with certified accountants, but an accurate number will be given.

But it’s in the 505 of thousands and that’s people that went to vote and they were told they can’t vote because they’ve already been voted for. And it’s a very sad thing. They walked out complaining, but the number is large. We’ll have it for you. But it’s much more than the number of 11,779. The current margin is only 11,779. Brad, I think I think you agree with that. Right. That’s that’s something I think everyone at least that’s a number that everyone agrees on.

But that’s the difference in the votes. But we’ve had hundreds of thousands of ballots that we’re we’re we’re able to actually we’ll get you a pretty accurate number. You don’t need much of a number because the number that in theory, I lost by the margin would be 11,779. But you also have substantial numbers of people, thousands and thousands, who went to the voting place on November 3rd. We’re told they couldn’t vote. We’re told they couldn’t vote because a ballot had been put in on their name. And, you know, that’s very, very, very, very sad.

We had I believe it’s about 4,502 voters who voted but who weren’t on the voter registration list. So it’s 5,000 -- 4,502 -- who voted, but they were not on the voter registration rolls, which they had to be. You had 18,325 vacant address voters. They had no -- the address was vacant and they’re not allowed to be counted. That’s 18,325. Smaller number, you had 904 who only voted where they had just the PD. a post office box number and they had a post office box number and that’s not allowed. We had at least 18,000, that’s on tape. We had them counted very painstakingly, 18,000 voters having to do with the .That’s she’s a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler. that is that was the tape that’s been shown all over the world that makes everybody look bad. You, me and everybody else where they got -- number one they said they said very clearly.

And it’s been reported that the said there was a major water main break. Everybody fled the area and then they came back. her daughter and a few people. There was no Republican poll watchers, actually. There were no Democrat poll watchers. I guess they were them, but there were no Democrats either.

And there was no law enforcement late in the morning. They went early in the morning. They went to the table with the black robe, the black shield, and they pulled out the votes. Those votes were put there are a number of hours before, the table was put there. I think it was -- Brad, you would know -- it was probably eight hours or seven hours before. And then it was stuffed with votes. They weren’t in an official voter box. They were in what looked to be suitcases or trunks, suitcases, but they weren’t in voter boxes. The minimum number it could be because we watched it, and they watched it certified in slow motion, instant replay, if you can believe it, but had slow motion and it was magnified many times over.

And the minimum it was was eighteen thousand ballots, all for Biden. You had out of state voters, they voted in Georgia, but they were from out of state, of 4,925. You had absentee ballots sent to vacant. They were absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses. They had nothing on them about addresses. That’s 2,326.

And you had drop boxes, which is very bad. You had dropbox boxes that were picked up. We have photographs and we have affidavits from many people. I don’t know if you saw the hearings, but, you have dropboxes where the box was picked up and not delivered for three days.

So all sorts of things could have happened to that box, including, you know, putting in the votes that you wanted. So there are many infractions. And the bottom line is many, many times the 11,779 margin that they said we lost by, we had vast — I mean, the state is in turmoil over this.

And I know you would like to get to the bottom of it, although I saw you on television today and you said that you found nothing wrong. I mean, you know, and I didn’t lose the state for people that have been saying that it was the highest vote ever. There was no way a lot of the political people said that there’s no way they beat me and they beat me. They beat me in the polls. You know, every single state.

We won every state, we won every statehouse in the country. We held the Senate, which is shocking to people, although we’ll see what happens tomorrow or in a few days. And we won the house, but we won every single statehouse and we won Congress, which was supposed to lose 15 seats. And they gained, I think, sixteen or seventeen or something. I think there’s now a difference of five that was supposed to be a difference, substantially more.

But politicians in every state, but politicians in Georgia have given affidavits and are going to that, that there was no way they beat me in the in the election, that the people came out — matter of fact they were expecting to lose. And then they ended up winning by a lot because of the coattails. And they said there’s no way that they’ve done many polls prior to the election. There was no way that they won. Ballots were dropped in massive numbers.

https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/20...script-donald-trumps-call-brad-raffensperger/
 

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This is what Trump said to Brad Raffensberger (part 2):

And we’re trying to get to those numbers and we will have them. They’ll take a period of time certified. But but but they’re massive numbers and far greater than the eleven thousand seven hundred and seventy nine. The other thing, dead people. So dead people voted. And I think the number is in the — close to 5,000 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number.

And a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters. The bottom line is when you add it all up and then you start adding, you know, 300,000 fake ballots. Then the other thing they said is in Fulton County and other areas — and this may or may not be true — this just came up this morning, that they are burning their ballots, that they are shredding, shredding ballots and removing equipment. They’re changing the equipment on the on the Dominion machines. And, you know, that’s not illegal. And they supposedly shredded I think they said 300 pounds — 3,000 pounds of ballots. And that just came to us as a report today. And, you know, it’s a very sad situation.

But Brad if you took the minimum numbers where many, many times above the 11,779 and many Trump of those numbers are certified, or they will be certified, but they are certified, those are numbers that are there that exist and that that beat the margin, the margin of loss. They beat it, I mean by a lot.

And people should be happy to have an accurate count instead of an election where there’s turmoil. I mean, there’s turmoil in Georgia and other places. You’re not the only one. I mean, we have other states that I believe will be flipping to us very shortly. But this is this is something that’s, you know, as an example, I think in Detroit. And I think there’s a section, a good section of your state, actually, which we’re not sure. So we’re not going to report it yet.

But in Detroit, we had I think it was 139% of the people voted. That’s not too good. In Pennsylvania, they had well over 200,000 more votes than they had people voting. And that was that doesn’t play too well. And the legislature there is, which is Republican, is extremely activist and angry.

But I mean, there were other things also that were almost as bad as that. But but they had, as an example in Michigan, a tremendous number of dead people that voted. I think it was, I think, Mark, it was 18,000, some unbelievably high number, much higher than yours. You were in the 4 to 5,000 category. And that was checked out laboriously by going through versus by going through the obituary columns in the newspapers.

So I guess with all of it being said, Brad the bottom line and provisional ballots again, you know, you’ll have to tell me about the provisional ballots, but we have a lot of people that were complaining that they weren’t able to vote because they were already voted for. These are great people. And, you know, they were shell shocked.

I don’t know if you call that provisional ballots in some states. We had a lot of provisional ballot situations where people were given a provisional ballot because when they walked in on November 3rd, they were already voting, voted for. So that’s it. I mean, we have many, many times the number of votes necessary to win this state. And we won the state and we won it very substantially and easily. And we’re getting — we have much of this is a very you know, they’re certified, far more certified than we need. But we’re getting additional numbers certified too and we’re getting pictures of dropboxes being delivered and delivered late and delivered three days later in some cases. Plus, we have many affidavits to that effect.

https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/20...script-donald-trumps-call-brad-raffensperger/
 

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Don’t make such a fool out of yourself.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️
 

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This is what Trump said to Brad Raffensberger (part 3):

President Donald Trump: Brad, not that there’s not an issue, but because we have a big issue with Dominion in other states and perhaps in yours. But we have we haven’t felt we needed to go there. And just to, you know, maybe put a little different spin on what Mark is saying. Mark Meadows. Yeah, we’d like to go further, but we don’t really need to. We have all the votes we need. You know, we won the states. If you took — these are the most minimal numbers. The numbers that I gave you. Those are numbers that are certified your absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses your you’re out of state voters 4,925. You know, when you add them up, it’s many more times, many times the 11,779 number.

So we could go through. We have not gone through your Dominion, so we can’t give them blessing. I mean, in other states we think we found tremendous corruption with Dominion machines, but we’ll have to see. But but we we only lost the state by that number. Eleven thousand votes and 779. So with that being said, with just what we have. And, you know, with just what we have, we’re giving you minimum minimum numbers, we’re doing the most conservative numbers possible. We’re many times, many, many times above the the margin. And so we don’t really have to, Mark? I don’t think we have to go through each.


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This is what Trump said to Brad Raffensberger (part 4):

President Donald Trump: But Cleta even before you do that, Cleta even before you do that and not even including it, that’s why I hardly even included that number, although in one state we have a tremendous amount of dead people. So I don’t Know, I’m sure we do in Georgia, too. I’m sure we do in Georgia, too.

But is that we’re so far ahead. We’re so far ahead of these numbers. Even the phony ballots of of-- known scammer, you know, the Internet, you know what was trending on the Internet? Where’s Because they thought she’d be in jail. Where’s-? It’s it’s crazy. It’s crazy. That was -- the minimum number is 18,000 for I but they think it’s probably about 56,000. But the minimum number is 18,000 on the night where she ran back in there when everybody was gone and stuffed, she stuffed the ballot boxes.

Let’s face it, Brad. I mean, they did it in slow motion replay, magnified. Right. She stuffed the ballot boxes. They were stuffed like nobody’s ever seen them stuffed before. So there’s a term for when it’s a machine instead of a ballot box. But she stopped the machine. She stopped the ballot. Each each ballot went three times. They were showing. Here’s ballot number one here it is a second time, third time, next ballot.

I mean, look Brad, this we have a new tape that we’re going to release. It’s devastating. And by the way, that one event, that one event is much more than the 11,000 votes that we’re talking about. It’s, you know, that one event was a disaster. It’s just, you know, but it was it was something that it can’t be disputed. And again, we have a version that you haven’t seen, but it’s it’s it’s magnified. It’s magnified. And you can see everything. And she put for some reason, they put it in three times, each ballot. And I don’t know why, but you know I don’t know why three times. Why not five times. Right. But yeah, go ahead.

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This is what Trump said to Brad Raffensberger (part 5):

President Donald Trump: But where were the poll watchers, Brad? There were no poll watchers there. There were no Democrats or Republicans. There was no security there. It was late in the evening or late in the early in the morning, and there was nobody else in the room.


Where were the poll watchers and why did they say a water main broke, which they did and which is reported in the newspapers? They said they left. They ran out because of a water main break and there was no water main. There was nothing. There was no break. There was no water main break. But if you if you take out everything, where were the Republican poll watchers?

Even where were the Democrat poll watchers? Because there were none. And then you say, well, they left their station. You know, if you look at the tape and this was this was reviewed by professional police and detectives and other people. When they left in a rush, everybody left in a rush because of the water main, but everybody left in a rush. These people left their station when they came back, they didn’t go to their station.

They went to the apron wrapped around the table, under which were thousands and thousands of ballots in a box that was not an official or a sealed box. And then they took those and they went back to a different station. So if they would have come back, they would have walked to their station and they would have continued to work. But they couldn’t do even that, that’s illegal, because they had no Republican poll watchers.

And remember, her reputation is is is Devon. She’s known all over the Internet, Brad. She’s known all over. I’m telling you, where’s where’s-was one of the hot items, where’s They knew her. Where’s So Brad, you know this, there can be no justification for that. An I you know, I give everybody the benefit of the doubt. But that was. And Brad, why did they put the votes in three times, you know? They put them in three times.

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You have made a claim but given nothing substantive to back it up. None of the things Trump has done are new. You don't find it somewhat suspicious that all these charges are stacked against him at this time?
Hey hey ho ho, Trump has got to go.
Hey hey ho ho, that's about all they know.
 

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Just reported...

Trump Ordered to Pay Over $350 Million and Barred From New York Business
The judge’s ruling in Donald Trump’s civil fraud case could cost him all his available cash. It also bars the former president from running a business in the state for three years.

It is obvious that in this case, and the one with E. Jean Caroll, he is GUILTY and has to pay over 400 millions of dollars. Do you really want a convicted criminal in the Oval Office???
 

ZNP

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Just reported...

Trump Ordered to Pay Over $350 Million and Barred From New York Business
The judge’s ruling in Donald Trump’s civil fraud case could cost him all his available cash. It also bars the former president from running a business in the state for three years.

It is obvious that in this case, and the one with E. Jean Caroll, he is GUILTY and has to pay over 400 millions of dollars. Do you really want a convicted criminal in the Oval Office???
"This is an absurd case" -- Deshowitz

There's no harm or foul in Trump civil fraud case: Alan Dershowitz | Newsline

 

Nehemiah6

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Do you really want a convicted criminal in the Oval Office???
Do you really want to promote the bogus cases against Trump? This is all political "lawfare". This judge should have been impeached a long time ago.
 

cv5

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Just reported...

Trump Ordered to Pay Over $350 Million and Barred From New York Business
The judge’s ruling in Donald Trump’s civil fraud case could cost him all his available cash. It also bars the former president from running a business in the state for three years.

It is obvious that in this case, and the one with E. Jean Caroll, he is GUILTY and has to pay over 400 millions of dollars. Do you really want a convicted criminal in the Oval Office???
Wake up buddy.........going to be appealed. A counter lawsuit may be in order.
 

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Sad thing is that America is going off the rails and there’s no one to prevent it. A person piling up convictions and charges like a street thug is likely to get elected president. It’s ridiculous and it reminds of that old movie Back to the Future part II where Biff gets to become the ultimate buffoon in the alternate timeline.
 

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...Can you share why you have a personal distaste for Trump?
As someone outside the US, I see him (Trump) as a liar, misogynist, adulterer, totally corrupted by love of power and a person who has total contempt for the laws in the US and it's judicial system!

And US Christians still want him as their President!

LOL!
 

Susanna

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This is what Trump said to Brad Raffensberger (part 5):

President Donald Trump: But where were the poll watchers, Brad? There were no poll watchers there. There were no Democrats or Republicans. There was no security there. It was late in the evening or late in the early in the morning, and there was nobody else in the room.


Where were the poll watchers and why did they say a water main broke, which they did and which is reported in the newspapers? They said they left. They ran out because of a water main break and there was no water main. There was nothing. There was no break. There was no water main break. But if you if you take out everything, where were the Republican poll watchers?

Even where were the Democrat poll watchers? Because there were none. And then you say, well, they left their station. You know, if you look at the tape and this was this was reviewed by professional police and detectives and other people. When they left in a rush, everybody left in a rush because of the water main, but everybody left in a rush. These people left their station when they came back, they didn’t go to their station.

They went to the apron wrapped around the table, under which were thousands and thousands of ballots in a box that was not an official or a sealed box. And then they took those and they went back to a different station. So if they would have come back, they would have walked to their station and they would have continued to work. But they couldn’t do even that, that’s illegal, because they had no Republican poll watchers.

And remember, her reputation is is is Devon. She’s known all over the Internet, Brad. She’s known all over. I’m telling you, where’s where’s-was one of the hot items, where’s They knew her. Where’s So Brad, you know this, there can be no justification for that. An I you know, I give everybody the benefit of the doubt. But that was. And Brad, why did they put the votes in three times, you know? They put them in three times.

https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/20...script-donald-trumps-call-brad-raffensperger/
I have read the transcript. Not only the excerpts. I truly didn’t believe it was this bad. I’m not a lawyer or anything so I can’t say whether what he’s saying is punishable or not, but it’s a call no president should have made.
 

Susanna

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As someone outside the US, I see him (Trump) as a liar, misogynist, adulterer, totally corrupted by love of power and a person who has total contempt for the laws in the US and it's judicial system!

And US Christians still want him as their President!

LOL!
But that’s the grim reality. Having that said, I know quite a few Trump supporters and none of them are Christian. I know because they don’t want to listen when I’m trying to say a few words about the gospel.
 

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But that’s the grim reality. Having that said, I know quite a few Trump supporters and none of them are Christian. I know because they don’t want to listen when I’m trying to say a few words about the gospel.

Yep in Southeast Texas the ones I see around me are militia types in the 20-50'ish year range that rarely say anything about God. The only ones I spoke with about Christianity talked about Tim Dunn and F.Wilks wanting to push Texas to a Theocracy(they were unhappy about TEXIT being tossed out of the House/Senate a few weeks back so were wanting Wilks and Dunn to pressure them into it). https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/billionaire-tim-dunn-runs-texas/
 

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But that’s the grim reality. Having that said, I know quite a few Trump supporters and none of them are Christian. I know because they don’t want to listen when I’m trying to say a few words about the gospel.
so, the " other" party supports abortion, pushes gay and trans nonsense on school kids ( drag queen story hour, and a lot more), and open borders .

yet you never mention that...:unsure::unsure: