Kristallnacht 2:0

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ThereRoseaLamb

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Sculpt said:
The occupation just perpetuates the violence.
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They are not occupied, and I've posted before reasons why this isn't true. I will post again if need be. Myths perpetuate violence too.



Sculpt said:
The United States supports national determination. Israel needs to help create a democratic Palestinian nation with which they can have a close cooperative peace and prosperity with. Every situation they could try would have risks, but this would be the right thing to do, with the best chance of success.
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You're fooling yourself. Israel has been trying for peace since 48. They have offered land for peace and four times been turned down. They have done more than required of them. Clinton even said you can't work with Palestinians when they turned down his offer. There was a two state solution offered in 48, the Arabs turned it down. And Israel wasn't even obligated to do that much. But they have and been turned down. Besides I don't believe God will allow it. He gave the land to the Jews. It's never changed.




Sculpt said:
Israel tried to make a peace deal to create a Palestinian State, but the talks failed. The PLO should have accepted the deal, even though they didn't get everything they wanted.
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Umm humm Israel wiped off the map.


Sculpt said:
Once personal bonds between the people grow much larger, and Israel knows they can trust them, the new state can get more sovereignty. "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God." Mat 5:9. Over the years the polls have fluctuated, but a majority of Israelis and Palestinians support the two peaceful states.
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No, Israel is under no obligation whatsoever. They have offered again and again. Arafat was handed the most choice deal and still walked away. At that point, it's on them. If I offer you half of my lunch and you say no why would I ask you again. But say I did and said you could half my milk too. And you still said no. And then I said you could have half my lunch, all of my milk and the money in my pocket and you said no. At what point do people think is enough for Israel to beg for peace?! If I offer once and you say no, I am not obligated to ask again. Arabs should have taken the land offered in 48. They didn't, that's on them not Israel.
 
Stan_the_Man

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Nehemiah6 said:
Genocidal Reminder From Hamas Spokesman: We Won't Stop Until the Jews Are 'Annihilated'
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Then Israel needs to control gaza and the west bank permanently.

If the mooseslims don't like it they can move to a mooseslim country
 
ZNP

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Stan_the_Man said:
Then Israel needs to control gaza and the west bank permanently.

If the mooseslims don't like it they can move to a mooseslim country
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We know they don't like it and we know they are pouring in from our Southern border, so I guess they are following your advice.
 
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Gojira

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If we experienced what Israel did, we'd be out for their annihilation too. Israel should push until Hamas is gone -- as much as they are able to accomplish that.
 
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Gojira said:
If we experienced what Israel did, we'd be out for their annihilation too. Israel should push until Hamas is gone -- as much as they are able to accomplish that.
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Nobody wants to tackle the real issue, which is the extermination of the Iranian mullahs and their military operations. Without Iran there would be no Hamas, Hezbollah, or Houthis. Iran has already declared war on the West, but instead of dealing with Iran they want to keep throwing money and arms at Ukraine (which is already a lost cause). And the only reason Iran could declare war on the West is because Obama and Biden sent billions and billions of dollars to the mullahs. So October 7 was really an American responsibility, another proxy war, but this time against Israel.
 
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Gojira

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Nobody wants to tackle the real issue, which is the extermination of the Iranian mullahs and their military operations. Without Iran there would be no Hamas, Hezbollah, or Houthis. Iran has already declared war on the West, but instead of dealing with Iran they want to keep throwing money and arms at Ukraine (which is already a lost cause). And the only reason Iran could declare war on the West is because Obama and Biden sent billions and billions of dollars to the mullahs. So October 7 was really an American responsibility, another proxy war, but this time against Israel.
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Eh... some of that makes some sense, but that we're waging a proxy war against Israel -- even with President Vegetable Head -- is just a tad hard to swallow. However, that we don't put Iran in their place, in some form or fashion, and after all these decades, is puzzling... and frustrating.
 
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Gojira said:
Eh... some of that makes some sense, but that we're waging a proxy war against Israel -- even with President Vegetable Head -- is just a tad hard to swallow.
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Didn't Biden know that Iran wants to exterminate Israel and all the Jews in Israel? Then why did he give the mullahs billions? So this is indirectly a proxy war against Israel, since Hamas would not (and could not) exist without Iran.
 
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Gojira

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Didn't Biden know that Iran wants to exterminate Israel and all the Jews in Israel? Then why did he give the mullahs billions? So this is indirectly a proxy war against Israel, since Hamas would not (and could not) exist without Iran.
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It's possible, but if he wanted that to happen, he wouldn't have sent aid to Israel or knocked out missiles that were on their way to them. He may be trying to play both sides. But, either way, the man -- and the Leftists in general -- need to be displaced from power.
 
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Nehemiah6

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Gojira said:
He may be trying to play both sides.
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That's more like it. Biden's "advisers" should have known what the Wall Street Journal knows:

"...But this ignores a fundamental motivation of Iran’s theocracy: anti-Semitism. At least three generations of radical Iranian clerics have viewed Israel as illegitimate, usurping sacred Islamic lands in the name of a pernicious ideology advanced by history’s most devilish and stubborn people. Using the language of French Marxism, they call Israel a Western “colonial-settler state,” and they believe Jews guide American imperialism in the Middle East. In this struggle between good and evil, Muslims have a religious obligation to resist Israel and global Jewry.

The founder of the revolution, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, set the standard for the Islamic Republic of Iran. In his book “Islamic Government,” he wrote, “From the very beginning, the historical movement of Islam had to contend with the Jews, for it was they who first established anti-Islamic propaganda and engaged in various stratagems, and as you can see, this activity continues down to the present.” He depicted Jews as distorters of the Quran, financial hoarders, and agents of the West....
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-real-reason-iran-hates-israel-anti-semitism-gaza-4f7ad96e

Donald Trump refused to play Iran's game, and had he remained in office, Iran could not have given billions to Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis.
 
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Gojira

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The founder of the revolution, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, set the standard for the Islamic Republic of Iran. In his book “Islamic Government,” he wrote, “From the very beginning, the historical movement of Islam had to contend with the Jews, for it was they who first established anti-Islamic propaganda and engaged in various stratagems, and as you can see, this activity continues down to the present.” He depicted Jews as distorters of the Quran, financial hoarders, and agents of the West....
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This sounds like it came out of Mein Kampf.
 
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Gojira said:
This sounds like it came out of Mein Kampf.
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But Biden and his gang of thugs couldn't wait to hand Iran's mullahs billions and billions of dollars (after Obama had already handed them pallet loads of cash in the billions) . Not only to equip and train Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, but get their nuclear capability totally up to snuff.

Then Iran turned around and thanked Biden by bombing his military, and making sure that the Houthis destroyed American ships and all Western shipping. That's the contempt they have for the Biden administration, after what happened in Afghanistan.
 
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Gojira

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Nehemiah6 said:
Then Iran turned around and thanked Biden by bombing his military, and making sure that the Houthis destroyed American ships and all Western shipping.
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What do you mean by this?
 
Stan_the_Man

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ZNP said:
We know they don't like it and we know they are pouring in from our Southern border, so I guess they are following your advice.
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Meh, they've been here in the US already for a long time.



Gojira said:
If we experienced what Israel did, we'd be out for their annihilation too
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No, the democrats would apologize for irritating the people that attacked us and would accept blame for causing them to attack us. Then biden would surrender and someone would have to explain to him what that even means and remind him his drawers are dirty!
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
I used the word "thanked" sarcastically.
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What do you mean by bombing our military and Houthis destroying American ships??? When did all this happen??
 
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Gojira said:
What do you mean by bombing our military and Houthis destroying American ships??? When did all this happen??
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Very, very recently. Are you not reading the news reports put out by the conservative media? And AP News is definitely not conservative.
Attacks on ships and US drones show Yemen’s Houthis can still fight despite US-led airstrikes
https://apnews.com/article/yemen-houthi-red-sea-israel-hamas-6ac2a1bf5032ed0531258816907cfe2c

And no one in the West has the courage to go after the Houthi strongholds in Yemen to end this sabotage. Instead their efforts are always too little and too late. Now you do some research on how Iran got away with bombing American military targets.
 
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