Were COVID vaccines created to kill and maim?

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Nehemiah6

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Gideon300 said:
If the vaccines were designed to kill and maim, they are not very effective.
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That's because you are simply ignoring the hard data. Christians -- at least -- should not be promoting lies.

Who’d have guessed that there would be two startling revelations about the great covid over-reach in the space of about a week, upholding claims previously dismissed as conspiracy theories and misinformation?

First, a peer-reviewed scientific study linked covid vaccines to a range of serious health disorders, and then the Queensland Supreme Court ruled that the vaccine mandates imposed on police and ambulance workers were unlawful.

Both provide a welcome dose of reality after the worst days of lockdowns and vaccine roll-outs, when we were all indoctrinated with the message that the jabs were perfectly ‘safe and effective’.

Now we know for certain that they don’t prevent contraction or transmission of the virus and there’s an acknowledged chance they could kill or maim you.

Some of us have been aware of that for a long time, but of course vaccine promoters including Big Pharma and government bureaucrats will still insist that the risk is “very low” the acknowledged disorders are “rare” and vaccines still provide the best means of protection against covid.

https://principia-scientific.com/can-covid-catastrophists-stoop-any-lower/
 
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Gideon300 said:
If the vaccines were designed to kill and maim, they are not very effective. I note that none these hysterical claims mention how many lives have been saved by vaccines. When I leave home and have to push the dead bodies away from my driveway, I'll start to think that there something to worry about. Until then, I won't be losing any sleep over the issue.

I had a heart condition before COVID. I'm 72, the age when health issues become more common. I'm still here, after 3 jabs. My wife also had heart issues going back 20 years. She's had two jabs. Yep, she's just fine.
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The thing is, they always are focused to the vaccines. As the vaccine would be their enemy.
To have an objective view they must count both sides. The victims of the virus and the victims of the vaccine.
But this is not their interest and they jump on every train who support their view from from the enemy vaccine.
 
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wolfwint said:
The thing is, they always are focused to the vaccines. As the vaccine would be their enemy.
To have an objective view they must count both sides. The victims of the virus and the victims of the vaccine.
But this is not their interest and they jump on every train who support their view from from the enemy vaccine.
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My grandparents never died from influenza.
They died horrible torturous deaths from the vaccine that the doctor claimed would make them immune from a relatively harmless virus.
When I see toxic substances in the cleaning isle of a store, I don't blame the poison. I blame the murderer behind the cash register in the pharmacy.
 
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HealthAndHappiness said:
My grandparents never died from influenza.
They died horrible torturous deaths from the vaccine that the doctor claimed would make them immune from a relatively harmless virus.
When I see toxic substances in the cleaning isle of a store, I don't blame the poison. I blame the murderer behind the cash register in the pharmacy.
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It is in deed sad with your grandparents. But if you want to have an objective view. Then you have to see both sides. Yes the vaccine has sideeffects, but the virus has this sideeffects in potence. Why nobody of you vaccine enemys count the numbers of virus victims, long Covid and all the health damages through this virus?
Of course people want make money. The Websites who feed you with antivaccine Material want make money too. Or not?
Thats the world in which we live.
What alternative they had when the virus arose? Do nothing? How many would went to the judge and would create a case, because the government did nothing to protect their citizens?
I work in hospital, and we were full with Covid patients. Some of my Coworkers have still health problems because of the virus.
 
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Gideon300 said:
If the vaccines were designed to kill and maim, they are not very effective. I note that none these hysterical claims mention how many lives have been saved by vaccines. When I leave home and have to push the dead bodies away from my driveway, I'll start to think that there something to worry about. Until then, I won't be losing any sleep over the issue.

I had a heart condition before COVID. I'm 72, the age when health issues become more common. I'm still here, after 3 jabs. My wife also had heart issues going back 20 years. She's had two jabs. Yep, she's just fine.
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well, my mother was 71 during covid in 2020. i used and got her to use a mix of vitamins and supplements that doctors and scientists that did not go along with the narrative .

and she never got covid, and neither did I.

no vax needed. her and i never took it, never will.
 
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wolfwint said:
It is in deed sad with your grandparents. But if you want to have an objective view. Then you have to see both sides. Yes the vaccine has sideeffects, but the virus has this sideeffects in potence. Why nobody of you vaccine enemys count the numbers of virus victims, long Covid and all the health damages through this virus?
Of course people want make money. The Websites who feed you with antivaccine Material want make money too. Or not?
Thats the world in which we live.
What alternative they had when the virus arose? Do nothing? How many would went to the judge and would create a case, because the government did nothing to protect their citizens?
I work in hospital, and we were full with Covid patients. Some of my Coworkers have still health problems because of the virus.
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post # 45 applies to you also.
 
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gb9 said:
well, my mother was 71 during covid in 2020. i used and got her to use a mix of vitamins and supplements that doctors and scientists that did not go along with the narrative .

and she never got covid, and neither did I.

no vax needed. her and i never took it, never will.
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My Dad was doing well after years of trying to convince him of the benefits of natural supplements. God answered prayers and he got on my wellness program that was reversing organ damage. Then he made the mistake of asking a famous medical/ allopathic physician we knew, what he thought of him taking supplements, since he was excited about his lifestyle change. The doctor said that he shouldn't do it beyond a one a day multi because he might take too much and they could harm him. Set my Dad back for years and poor health....needless misery. I spent my entire life as an athlete and nutritional consultant. Because I was his son, he respected the casual advice of a man who never took so much as an introduction to nutrition. What the Lord said about the woman who had an issue of blood many years still applies.
 
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gb9 said:
well, my mother was 71 during covid in 2020. i used and got her to use a mix of vitamins and supplements that doctors and scientists that did not go along with the narrative .

and she never got covid, and neither did I.

no vax needed. her and i never took it, never will.
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Fine, but this helped not all covid patients.
If you cant breath and dont get oxigene Vitamins and suplements will not help.
Would it be so easy, it would be very welcome!
 
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wolfwint said:
Fine, but this helped not all covid patients.
If you cant breath and dont get oxigene Vitamins and suplements will not help.
Would it be so easy, it would be very welcome!
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the point was taking the correct vitamins and supplements makes one far less likely to get covid.

for example, ginger root, garlic extract, elderberry, and zinc washed down with tonic water ( tonic water having quinine , which helps cells intake the zinc) taken daily makes one far less likely to get sick, along with a at least halfway healthy diet.
 
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gb9 said:
the point was taking the correct vitamins and supplements makes one far less likely to get covid.

for example, ginger root, garlic extract, elderberry, and zinc washed down with tonic water ( tonic water having quinine , which helps cells intake the zinc) taken daily makes one far less likely to get sick, along with a at least halfway healthy diet.
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A good health condition is fine. And taking good and healthy food is also fine.
And if everybody would follow this advise, the tonic water f.e. in your city would very fast not longer available.
Btw a good health condition is no guaranty not to get an virus, like Covid.
 
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wolfwint said:
A good health condition is fine. And taking good and healthy food is also fine.
And if everybody would follow this advise, the tonic water f.e. in your city would very fast not longer available.
Btw a good health condition is no guaranty not to get an virus, like Covid.
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no, it is no guarantee about not getting sick, but, as i said, it makes it less likely one will get sick.
 
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gb9 said:
no, it is no guarantee about not getting sick, but, as i said, it makes it less likely one will get sick.
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The COVID tyrants attacked and dismissed the immune system which God has created in a marvelous way.

Proper nutrition, rest, and exercise keep the immune system functioning properly. And had the COVID tyranny never occurred, coronavirus would have been seen as just another flu (which is now the currenet philosophy).

And had HCQ and Ivermectin been freely available (instead of being deliberately sabotaged and denigrated) those who had COVID symptoms would have recovered rapidly. Which would have meant no pandemic whatsoever. But the evil scheme was to destroy lives and livelihoods, and rob people of their freedoms. And it worked because most people would not question the scheming of the governments and public health agencies. The so-called "vaccines" were bioweapons, and the evidence is all around us.

Therefore they call the "vaccine" deaths "Sudden Death Syndrome" to hide the truth. And young athletes have been falling down dead all the time.
COVID-19, heart attacks and young people
Since the COVID-19 pandemic began, heart attack deaths across all age groups have become more common in the U.S., according to a September 2022 study by Cedars Sinai hospital in Los Angeles. The age group hit the hardest? People between 25 and 44, who saw a 29.9% relative increase in heart attack deaths over the first two years of the pandemic (which means the actual number of heart attack deaths were almost 30% higher than the predicted number)
https://www.today.com/health/covid-heart-attack-young-people-rcna69903

But guess what? Once again the public health agencies and establishment clinics are calling this "a hoax". Dismissing the reality to cover up their own crimes. It never stops.
 
wolfwint

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Nehemiah6 said:
The COVID tyrants attacked and dismissed the immune system which God has created in a marvelous way.

Proper nutrition, rest, and exercise keep the immune system functioning properly. And had the COVID tyranny never occurred, coronavirus would have been seen as just another flu (which is now the currenet philosophy).

And had HCQ and Ivermectin been freely available (instead of being deliberately sabotaged and denigrated) those who had COVID symptoms would have recovered rapidly. Which would have meant no pandemic whatsoever. But the evil scheme was to destroy lives and livelihoods, and rob people of their freedoms. And it worked because most people would not question the scheming of the governments and public health agencies. The so-called "vaccines" were bioweapons, and the evidence is all around us.

Therefore they call the "vaccine" deaths "Sudden Death Syndrome" to hide the truth. And young athletes have been falling down dead all the time.
COVID-19, heart attacks and young people
Since the COVID-19 pandemic began, heart attack deaths across all age groups have become more common in the U.S., according to a September 2022 study by Cedars Sinai hospital in Los Angeles. The age group hit the hardest? People between 25 and 44, who saw a 29.9% relative increase in heart attack deaths over the first two years of the pandemic (which means the actual number of heart attack deaths were almost 30% higher than the predicted number)
https://www.today.com/health/covid-heart-attack-young-people-rcna69903

But guess what? Once again the public health agencies and establishment clinics are calling this "a hoax". Dismissing the reality to cover up their own crimes. It never stops.
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You should count the the victims of Covid. Imstead attack the vaccine. Then we can talk about the victims from the vaccine.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
The COVID tyrants attacked and dismissed the immune system which God has created in a marvelous way.

Proper nutrition, rest, and exercise keep the immune system functioning properly. And had the COVID tyranny never occurred, coronavirus would have been seen as just another flu (which is now the currenet philosophy).

And had HCQ and Ivermectin been freely available (instead of being deliberately sabotaged and denigrated) those who had COVID symptoms would have recovered rapidly. Which would have meant no pandemic whatsoever. But the evil scheme was to destroy lives and livelihoods, and rob people of their freedoms. And it worked because most people would not question the scheming of the governments and public health agencies. The so-called "vaccines" were bioweapons, and the evidence is all around us.

Therefore they call the "vaccine" deaths "Sudden Death Syndrome" to hide the truth. And young athletes have been falling down dead all the time.
COVID-19, heart attacks and young people
Since the COVID-19 pandemic began, heart attack deaths across all age groups have become more common in the U.S., according to a September 2022 study by Cedars Sinai hospital in Los Angeles. The age group hit the hardest? People between 25 and 44, who saw a 29.9% relative increase in heart attack deaths over the first two years of the pandemic (which means the actual number of heart attack deaths were almost 30% higher than the predicted number)
https://www.today.com/health/covid-heart-attack-young-people-rcna69903

But guess what? Once again the public health agencies and establishment clinics are calling this "a hoax". Dismissing the reality to cover up their own crimes. It never stops.
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Your report from today com. speak from the Covidinfection. Not from the vaccine. And
Nehemiah6 said:
The COVID tyrants attacked and dismissed the immune system which God has created in a marvelous way.

Proper nutrition, rest, and exercise keep the immune system functioning properly. And had the COVID tyranny never occurred, coronavirus would have been seen as just another flu (which is now the currenet philosophy).

And had HCQ and Ivermectin been freely available (instead of being deliberately sabotaged and denigrated) those who had COVID symptoms would have recovered rapidly. Which would have meant no pandemic whatsoever. But the evil scheme was to destroy lives and livelihoods, and rob people of their freedoms. And it worked because most people would not question the scheming of the governments and public health agencies. The so-called "vaccines" were bioweapons, and the evidence is all around us.

Therefore they call the "vaccine" deaths "Sudden Death Syndrome" to hide the truth. And young athletes have been falling down dead all the time.
COVID-19, heart attacks and young people
Since the COVID-19 pandemic began, heart attack deaths across all age groups have become more common in the U.S., according to a September 2022 study by Cedars Sinai hospital in Los Angeles. The age group hit the hardest? People between 25 and 44, who saw a 29.9% relative increase in heart attack deaths over the first two years of the pandemic (which means the actual number of heart attack deaths were almost 30% higher than the predicted number)
https://www.today.com/health/covid-heart-attack-young-people-rcna69903

But guess what? Once again the public health agencies and establishment clinics are calling this "a hoax". Dismissing the reality to cover up their own crimes. It never stops.
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The report from today com speaks from the virus infection and they say to get an heart problem is without the vaccine 11 times higher then with vaccine!
 
JohnDB

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Nehemiah6 said:
Many governments continue to mandate vaccination in defiance of the statistics on deaths and injuries. The European Union is only a small fraction of the world's nations but it is publishing data on deaths and serious adverse effects. Every vaccine should have been banned a long time ago. So for those who are unaware of what is really happening here are the raw facts. Extrapolate them to the population of the world and what we have is worldwide GENOCIDE.

PART I
Latest Data: COVID Vaccine Deaths, Injuries Soar!
Published on March 26, 2022
Written by vaccineimpact.com


41,834 DEAD, 3.9 million injured following COVID vaccinations in European Database as U.S. military deaths soar 1100 percent

The European (EEA and non-EEA countries) database of suspected drug reaction reports is EudraVigilance, verified by the European Medicines Agency (EMA), and they are now reporting 41,834 fatalities, and 3,900,241 injuries following injections of four experimental COVID-19 shots:
From the total of injuries recorded, almost half of them (1,814,420) are serious injuries.
“Seriousness provides information on the suspected undesirable effect; it can be classified as ‘serious’ if it corresponds to a medical occurrence that results in death, is life-threatening, requires inpatient hospitalisation, results in another medically important condition, or prolongation of existing hospitalisation, results in persistent or significant disability or incapacity, or is a congenital anomaly/birth defect.”​
A Health Impact News subscriber in Europe ran the reports for each of the four COVID-19 shots we are including here. It is a lot of work to tabulate each reaction with injuries and fatalities, since there is no place on the EudraVigilance system we have found that tabulates all the results.
Since we have started publishing this, others from Europe have also calculated the numbers and confirmed the totals.*


Here is the summary data through March 15, 2022.
Total reactions for the mRNA vaccine Tozinameran (code BNT162b2,Comirnaty) from BioNTech/ Pfizer: 19,239 deaths and 1,927,063 injuries to 15/03/2022
  • 57,858 Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 275 deaths
  • 66,807 Cardiac disorders incl. 2,818 deaths
  • 587 Congenital, familial and genetic disorders incl. 59 deaths
  • 25,267 Ear and labyrinth disorders incl. 12 deaths
  • 2,336 Endocrine disorders incl. 8 deaths
  • 28,891 Eye disorders incl. 43 deaths
  • 145,849 Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 739 deaths
  • 478,298 General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 5,420 deaths
  • 2,191 Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 102 deaths
  • 20,521 Immune system disorders incl. 105 deaths
  • 96,216 Infections and infestations incl. 2,050 deaths
  • 37,906 Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 376 deaths
  • 47,460 Investigations incl. 536 deaths
  • 12,566 Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 316 deaths
  • 224,082 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 240 deaths
  • 1,992 Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 206 deaths
  • 309,159 Nervous system disorders incl. 2,042 deaths
  • 2,878 Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions incl. 78 deaths
  • 275 Product issues incl. 3 deaths
  • 34,313 Psychiatric disorders incl. 225 deaths
  • 7,023 Renal and urinary disorders incl. 287 deaths
  • 81,931 Reproductive system and breast disorders incl. 6 deaths
  • 81,055 Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 2,036 deaths
  • 87,104 Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 158 deaths
  • 4,500 Social circumstances incl. 26 deaths
  • 23,111 Surgical and medical procedures incl. 225 deaths
  • 46,887 Vascular disorders incl. 848 deaths
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Your data is fake. It's completely made up. Not even true. Try someone who practices real science.
 
JohnDB

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In 10,000 vaccinations you might see 2 people with some sort of serious adverse reaction.

However....
With 10,000 cases of COVID-19 infection you will have 2,500 cases of long term disability, death, and permanent long term health problems.

Those are the real risks. Not phoney data...not someone trying to sell fear. I don't buy fear.

If the vaccines had a 1:10 SAE reports...they would have been pulled 3 years ago. But guess what? I can go to the drug store or doctor today and get a vaccine.
 
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gb9 said:
what he said was 100% true.
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In what reality? The source faked the data. This is a fake study not performed by an epidemiologist. I know most of them here in America. I don't recognize any of the names.
 
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gb9 said:
what he said was 100% true.
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Then you should read the today com report.
It says that covid virus is 11 times more eorse thgn the vaccine!
 
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