When the Devil became a Murderer and a Liar?

According to Jesus, he is speaking the truth all the time.

JOHN 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Then Jesus express the description of the Devil:
The Devil is a Murderer and a Liar.

JOHN 8:44
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a LIAR, and the father of it.

What are the verses in the bible showing the Devil is a Murderer and a Liar?

If this helps - I believe it occurred in the Garden of Eden when Satan corrupted Eve, and Eve, Adam. Sorry if you're already familiar with these verses.

Satan's lie is revealed in Gen 3:4,5 (with Satan having taken the form of a serpent). For mankind, through Adam, the Garden of Eden was the "beginning".

[Gen 3:4-5 KJV]
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

[Eze 28:12-19 KJV]
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness:
I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt] thou [be] any more.

[Isa 14:9-15 KJV]
9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet [thee] at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, [even] all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, [and] the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

This is just speculation, but it might be shown how he is a murderer in how he tempted Eve in the garden. He might have done it with the intent of killing Eve knowing the fate he himself would suffer for his rebellion. If I'm not mistaken angels can see everywhere, so he might have seen the lake of fire that was prepared for him and his angels and might have known he would be going there with his angels and thought "I want them to go there too".


Ephesians 2:2
King James Version
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

I think the devil is who is referred to here. I think he might be working in everyone who does not believe to make situations as bad as possible, possibly inciting murder, which would make him a murderer I guess if what he does leads people to murder other people. The devil is of course shown to be a liar in how he tempted Eve. When did he become a murderer and a liar? Apparently he became a murderer in the beginning, as the verse you posted shows.

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: ( this lie would cause thier death ) for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. ( God said if they did this they would surely die Satan deceived them and used to e commandment to kill them causing them to do exactly what God had said would bring death )


And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

……And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. ( he’s cursed with death because they broke the commandment that said that they would die )

…..So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:4-6, 8, 17-19, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

satans deception , his lie caused man to transgress a commandment saying “ don’t do this it’s certain death “ Satan made then think “ that’s not true we won’t die it will make us wise “

He killed then with the commandment by transgression

“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If he eats that’s going to certainly happen Gods not lying or wrong about it satan knew that and used it to kill the mankind which God had chosen to rebuke the earth rather than angels

all he had to do is tell then subtle lies until they transgressed what God said was a matter of life and death satan used the commandment which would have kept them safe and alive if they believed and obeyed it …. to kill them by causing transgression which is linked to death by his word which is immutable

“For I was alive without the law once:

but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:9-11‬ ‭

Are you a devil's advocate?

John 8:44

Amplified Bible



44 You are of your father the devil, and it is your will to practice the desires [which are characteristic] of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks what is natural to him, for he is a liar and the father of lies and half-truths.

Genesis chapter 3 AND 4

Job chapter one

1There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job. And this man was blameless and upright,
fearing God and shunning evil. 2He had seven sons and three daughters, 3and he owned 7,000 sheep,
3,000 camels, 500 yoke of oxen, 500 female donkeys, and a very large number of servants. Job was the
greatest man of all the people of the East.

4Job’s sons would take turns holding feasts in their homes, and they would invite their three sisters to
eat and drink with them. 5And when the days of feasting were over, Job would send for his children to
purify them, rising early in the morning to offer burnt offerings for all of them. For Job thought,
“Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” This was Job’s regular practice.

6One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satana also came with them.
7“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan.
“From roaming through the earth,” he replied, “and walking back and forth in it.”
8Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one
on earth like him, a man who is blameless and upright, who fears God and shuns evil.”
9Satan answered the LORD, “Does Job fear God for nothing? 10Have You not placed a hedge on every side
around him and his household and all that he owns? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his
possessions have increased in the land. 11But stretch out Your hand and strike all that he has, and he will
surely curse You to Your face.” 12“Very well,” said the LORD to Satan. “Everything he has is in your hands, but
you must not lay a hand on the man himself.” Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.

13One day, while Job’s sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother’s house,
14a messenger came and reported to Job: “While the oxen were plowing and the donkeys were grazing nearby,
15the Sabeans swooped down and took them away. They put the servants to the sword, and I alone have escaped to tell you!”
16While he was still speaking, another messenger came and reported: “The fire of God fell from
heaven. It burned and consumed the sheep and the servants, and I alone have escaped to tell you!”
17While he was still speaking, another messenger came and reported: “The Chaldeans formed three bands, raided
the camels, and took them away. They put the servants to the sword, and I alone have escaped to tell you!”
18While he was still speaking, another messenger came and reported: “Your sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother’s house, 19when suddenly a mighty wind swept in from the desert and struck the four corners of the house. It collapsed on the young people and they are dead, and I alone have escaped to tell you!”
20Then Job stood up, tore his robe, and shaved his head. He fell to the ground and worshiped, 21saying:
“Naked I came from my mother’s womb,
and naked I will return.
The LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away.
Blessed be the name of the LORD.”
22In all this, Job did not sin or charge God with wrongdoing.


Job 1:21b; 13:15a

God says you can't eat the fruit on the tree,when you eat it you will surely die.

Serpent Says you don't have to die,You will be like a god.

God is honest.God doesn't lie.

The Book of John 5:10
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son(God gave of his word).

The word was God.and the word become flesh.

Serpent said, you will not surely die. God said that man had become like Him, knowing good and evil.

“Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil."

I dont think the idea that satan was in the garden of eden has come from yourself.

And I believe this is just some persons idea to suit a narrative.

It probably stems from the idea that people want to believe it's all Satan's fault man fell,

To be honest I find this narrative à grave violation of scripture

Obviously, you are free to find it however you'd like to. But I suggest you read the following verses about satan and he being in the garden.

[Eze 31:8-9 KJV]
8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that [were] in the garden of God, envied him.

[Eze 28:13-15 KJV]
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

amen murdered by a lie about Gods true word

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden ( the tree of life was in the garden v9) thou mayest freely eat:

but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭

The devil killed them using e commandment against them “surely they would die if they ate the fruit “ do he lies and tells them they won’t die if they eat it it will make them wise “

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we take Gods word always as the truth someone telling us contrary is lying or wrong. In this case it’s a matter of life and death to believe God and not Satan but they immediately thought now that the fruit was good for food and would make them wise because of what he said to them distorting thier minds concerning what God said. And leading man astray who’s made to just listen to and follow Gods word and reject the lies

instead they accepted a lie “ the fruit won’t harm you it will make you wise “ and had to reject the truth “ the fruit is deadly don’t eat it because you will certainly without a doubt die “

Immediately everything goes awry after he speaks against Gods word and they listen

“And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:6, 8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Man has taken a road that’s going to lead to thier destruction eventually just ten generations after this happened and God knows it so now this

“And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:8-9, 15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

became this

“And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: ( we aren’t created to know good and evil but only good ) and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:22-24‬ ‭

which in a mere ten generations became this because man isn’t meant to know evil

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. ( the forbidden knowledge corrupted us )

And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. ( people hurting people creatures hurting creatures )

And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-6, 11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God created this

“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

satan led man astray with a lie and brought death to us all through sin . Man is t made for this condition and Satan is the original catalyst

We aren’t created or willed by God to be like this it’s rather a result of satans deceit and plot against us

“For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:18-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God didnt create us like that we rejected his word and followed the devils later found out it was a lie but the curse remained until Jesus came to give life to the dead

He’s a liar and with lies he kills those who would be saved if they believed the lords words and eat of the tree of life

quite a few things wrong with this idea.

First being this

15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created


Jesus says this

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. See it says from the beginning he was never perfect

Next wrong thing


14 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.


Walking upon the mountain of God was the time of moses which is not the beginning satan wasn't perfect then was he

Jesus says this

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies

See it says he was a liar before the mountain of God the time of moses

So then, you are saying the verses in Eze are wrong? Really? Unfortunately, I have neither the time nor ambition to refute your claims (above) in detail. I'll give you a hint though, "from the beginning" is not satan's beginning but from the beginning in/of the garden.
Instead of looking for ways to try to turn the Bible against itself, I suggest you try to harmonize scripture to find its truth.

Yes. Just like "In the beginning..." (Genesis 1:1) is not about the beginning of God. God is eternal and has no beginning or end.
It's about the beginning of creation.

are you sure this not just a speculative hint


The verse you quoted says whoever this person was, was perfect at the time of moses, well eden was before moses.

Jesus says this


Jesus says this

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies

Yes, and now that you say it, the beginning of creation would have been a better way to have stated it.

Thanks for pointing that out, you both! I hadn't realized that before.


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