Predestination is misunderstood...

You can't be just without being fair.

I hope I'm not standing next to you when you explain to God He wasn't fair.

Where does scripture say a soulish man has no spirit? Where are you getting that idea from in the text of the Bible?

Raised in Roman Catholicism. Rejected that at 15 years old.
Believed in Jesus and baptised into the church by the Holy Spirit at age 22. Have fellowshipped in Alive Christian Fellowship, Baptist, Reformed Orthodox, Open Brethren, Nazarene, Assemblies of God, Bible Bhavan and Delhi Bible Fellowship congregations over the years.

well as always we dont get a straight answer from you 😊

Some people can't handle the truth.

Taunting to hide one's own deficiency can be effective for only so long...

No straight answer again,

I guess I would be better banging my head against the wall. 😊

That's a foolish suggestion,

You said maybe God had angels watching them in the garden of eden.

Why would they need to be watched in the garden if eden, when firstly they free, innocent. And God had saw everything he created was Good

Secondly, why would God tell them not to eat from the tree of knowledge, if.he knew that they was going to.

what a suprise another you you you, and accusation.

I'm beginning suspect your possessed with all your accusations.

So come on then clever clogs let's hear your suggestion, as to why God asked Adam and eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge if he knew they where going to,

God did set Angels in the Garden of Eden.
This is one/Satan/ that God has Ezekiel talking to in the verses below:


13 thou wast in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the carnelian, the topaz, and the emerald, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the carbuncle, and the smaragd, and gold; the workmanship of thy settings and of thy sockets was in thee, in the day that thou wast created they were prepared.

14 Thou wast the far-covering cherub

16 ...O covering cherub

God set the cherubs to guard the tree of life after they sinned, why did he not do that before they sinned.

But here's a question for you.

Why did God ask them not to eat from the tree of knowledge if he knew they where already going to.

Now where going back to the beginning now, after you've failed to answer a straight answer, regarding why God didn't know they had sinned in genesis 3

Can you answer this straight question, without bringing something up after the fall.

God set the cherubs to guard the tree of life after they sinned, why did he not do that before they sinned.

Does not a wise parent warn a child about something that that child needs to learn obedience about?
Knowing full well that the child must first learn that wrong choices do have consequences?

God is the perfect parent....

I still don't see any scripture backing up your opinions. Jesus I know and Paul I know, but who is Steven Lawson?

Since Jesus died for mine and your sins, is sin really the issue, or acceptance of that forgiveness?

If you clicked on the link I gave you would have read the following...

The word “natural” means soulish. We get our word “psychology” from this word. The” natural man” is all soul, pure psychology, and no spirit. He has natural capacity but no spiritual capacity (psuchikos). He does not have the capacity to relate to God because he has had only one birth; he has not had a second birth. He may outwardly be very moral or righteous, but inwardly he is dead to God. He is no more than a soul and without spiritual capacity. He cannot connect to God.




I offer you the following to find out what good sound exegetical teaching may do for your spiritual edification.
Such teaching is rare to find today.... https://www.rbthieme.org/index.html#tabs-3


grace and peace .....................

Since Jesus died for mine and your sins, is sin really the issue, or acceptance of that forgivness?

A person to avoid.

He already knows.
So, in the book of James, we are warned against having a well dressed person who joins the congregation to sit in a place of honor and a poorly dressed individual placed in a position of dishonor.
Is this injustice or unfairness?

It's both. You can't be fair without being just. The two go together like monogamy and marriage. You keep trying to split them apart as if they are two equal yet opposite/different things. They are not. You cannot deal out justice if you are not impartial. It's not a hard concept to understand. To say God is just but not fair is ludicrous and you may not have said that directly, but it is definitely implied in your posts.

Why do you keep insisting that fairness means treating everyone the same? That is the way the world judges fair. You are not of the world so stop using their criteria for what is fair.

You raised the parable about the workers in the vineyard (Matt.20). It is a perfect example of comparison between the worlds sense of what is just and fair and what is God's sense of just and fair. You think the workers were treated unfairly? If so, guess with whose side you are aligning.

It's both. You can't be fair without being just. The two go together like monogamy and marriage. You keep trying to split them apart as if they are two equal yet opposite/different things. They are not. You cannot deal out justice if you are not impartial. It's not a hard concept to understand. To say God is just but not fair is ludicrous and you may not have said that directly, but it is definitely implied in your posts.