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jamessb

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In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine.

Faith that produces no works at all demonstrates that it's dead. Something that is dead cannot produce anything. Faith must be made alive in Christ first and then good works follow. (Ephesians 2:5-10)
This also applies to Donald Trump. How can you support such a blatant sinner?
 

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Matthew 20:26-28, "Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be your slave—just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

John 13:12-17, " When he [Jesus Christ, God's Son] had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. “Do you understand what I have done for you?” he asked them. “You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet. I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them."

Donald Trump: "I will be a dictator on day one."

Can anyone be so blind as to not see that these men are polar opposites???
 

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What does TDS stand for? Totally Deranged Syndrome? That fits Trump perfectly.
You know exactly what it stands for and you have a very bad case of it! Seek help and stop derailing this thread.
 

jamessb

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You know exactly what it stands for and you have a very bad case of it! Seek help and stop derailing this thread.
TDS means totally dissolved solids. Now you have learned something.

Now you're engaging in a personal attack, the sure sign of a LOSER!

Why don't you abide by your own signature?

Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ,
by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

I have a suggestion: YOU seek help and stop derailing this thread.
 

Sipsey

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that's your view.

This is why your so quick to reject so many teachings.

Salvation and being saved are two separate events.

Salvation is not complete until being saved is complete

We can argue all night long on this one. But don't get all heavy handed on me.
Goulash anyone?
 

montana123

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While we need to understand the context, that is not the critical issue. How does that passage apply (1) to myself at the moment and (2) to the current state of affairs in the churches and in the world. Let's take the letters to the seven churches in Revelation. Those churches are long gone, but the messages are all applicable RIGHT NOW to each of us and to every church in the world. Above all the Holy Spirit must teach us what do to with what we have just read.
The 7 Churches in Revelation is a prophetic statement to how the Church age will go in major influence, and if any falsehood God always has people in the truth.

Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
Rev 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

This Church left their first love which is probably not caring about the poor and needy which the early Church sold all they had that was not a necessity, and distributed to those people in need.

Which love is the fulfilling of the law.

Rev 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Then we have the Roman Catholic Church that was a major influence which they did not get rid of their pagan, and occult ways, and it became their foundation for the interpreting of scriptures.

Rev 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
Rev 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Rev 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Then it is still the Roman Catholic Church but they have gotten worse with more influence.

Rev 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
Rev 2:19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Rev 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
Rev 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Then it is still the Roman Catholic Church as they were getting worse in their interpretation of scriptures and they operated for many years having a big influence.

300-1500

The Roman Catholic Church held immense influence during this time.

It was the dominant Christian institution in Europe and played a central role in religious life, governance, and education.

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montana123

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Continued from above post

Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

The big deception is not here as in the 3 Churches before it but their works were not found perfect before God.

Which is the Protestant movement which had not perfected it yet because of the deception of the Catholic Church.

Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
Rev 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Jesus does not have any rebuke for this Church for the Protestant movement caused things to get on the right track, and it got perfected as the years went by to be a major influence.

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Jesus said that he would keep them from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the Earth.

How can the same temptation come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon Earth, at the same time.

Which testifies that this can happen only at the time of technology where the world can communicate with each other, and could of not happened back then.

And that temptation is when the world says Peace and safety, and goes to a one world government, for will people be with God, or follow the world, or follow the world thinking it is of God.

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

And now it is this Church age with many hypocrites that love money, and material things, the prosperity Gospel.

Which can only happen at the time of technology when money is flowing big time like America.

Pro 30:11 There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.
Pro 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
Pro 30:13 There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
Pro 30:14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

God told us of the last generation before Jesus comes back and one of the traits is to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

Which can only happen at the time of technology, and many people claiming Christianity are jumping on the bandwagon, and enjoying the money that is flowing, because the businesses, and people wanting to make money can reach out farther, and reach more people to make money instead of the majority of people only making money around their area like before technology.

And we see them heaping and heaping, and reaping and reaping, and keeping and keeping, and millions of dollars, and billions of dollars is not good enough for them.
 

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The demons knew OF God. They knew God existed. They obviously hadn't entrusted their salvation with him.
I would say more accurately, the demons know God very well. They exist in the same realm. They just don't know Him as Saviour. But then, they cannot be saved because redemption wasn't offered to them.
Yes, the demons know all about God, but they have no personal relationship with God. (John 17:3) The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with the Lord and not merely theoretical knowledge. In James 2:19, we read that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they do not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe in/on the Lord Jesus Christ and are not saved. (Acts 16:31) Their trust and reliance is in Satan as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.
 

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TDS means totally dissolved solids. Now you have learned something.

Now you're engaging in a personal attack, the sure sign of a LOSER!

Why don't you abide by your own signature?

Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ,
by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

I have a suggestion: YOU seek help and stop derailing this thread.
So it is ok for you to personally attack another human being with false accusations based on the liberal socialist press. But now your going to attack someone for calling you out?

Talk about a hypocrite!
 

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This also applies to Donald Trump. How can you support such a blatant sinner?
I pray that he wins. Think about it for a moment. That guy would not have the first clue as to how to live a saved person's life. So when the Beast/AC is in power, Trump will never recognize it because he will be promised power and control, something he cannot resist ever. The other idiot might actually know his Bible.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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I pray that he wins. Think about it for a moment. That guy would not have the first clue as to how to live a saved person's life. So when the Beast/AC is in power, Trump will never recognize it because he will be promised power and control, something he cannot resist ever. The other idiot might actually know his Bible.
so you think the other idiot. who is a far worse sinner than trump. may know the bible..

lol.. Thanks for the laugh
 

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so you think the other idiot. who is a far worse sinner than trump. may know the bible..

lol.. Thanks for the laugh
If you have just "some understanding" to gaining finances, a billionaire does more sin and inflict pain upon God's creation to get where he is than someone worth less than 10 million dollars.

The AC will manipulate Trump much easier than the moron already in office. Trump wants glory and power. The AC will offer that to the nations leaders.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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If you have just "some understanding" to gaining finances, a billionaire does more sin and inflict pain upon God's creation to get where he is than someone worth almost 10 million dollars.
lol.

Actually I know quite abit about money.. I know there are some cheats out there. at the same time, i know there are some who do it correctly.

Trump has not been proven guilty of any crime,, Yet the hate against him is greater than any person i have ever met, Even Hitler had more love than trump.
 
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