Predestination is misunderstood...

Nothing, God loved us because that is who He is.

I hope you don't have children. if you only love them because they deserve it? God help them.

I would say this is not true at all.

my question was not about how I love my children.

And it was not about how you can insult me.

The question was what was deserving of Gods love for you when you where dead in your trespasses

oh if you say so.

How old are you 😊

what is deserving of God loves for you if you don't repent.

Better still why does God's kindness lead you to repentance.

I cannot understand why the word "deserve" is being brought into a conversation about love.

You have made a statement/observation that is totally, exactly and completely right!

He doesn't love us because we are worthy or not worthy, He loves us because that is who He is and He has made us worthy in Christ.

You're welcome to continue hanging your head and beating your chest if you want "but do not call unclean what God has made clean". No-one will get brownie points for false humility.

And you approve peoples comments because your in disagreement with somebody.

And you also approved his comment even know he was giving the biggest insult you could possibly give to a parent


I'm not impressed at all by this

Nothing. God loves because that is who He is. Come back when you have learned what that means.

are you sure your taking his love for granted here.

You are the one who said you are unworthy so don't accuse me of of making false accusations when I am simply repeating what you have said.

So which is it? Are you worthy or not? It's true to say you were (past tense) unworthy but to call yourself unworthy now (in the present) when you have the righteousness of Christ? You are calling unclean what God has made clean.

Wake up to who you are in Christ.

I take what she stated as an illustration of the correct view and a good analogy.

If you are insulted then you really do not believe what you are asserting because you know that you love your children regardless of whether they deserve it and regardless of their character.

Love is giving end of story, no strings attached.

so when you where dead in your trespasses, and God still loved you.

Would he have carried on loving you for eternity if you never repented

obviously you couldn't care less about the insult he just made, and you being a parent should know what he just insulted parents with.

But no your to busy trying to win an argument.

Well now you've crossed the line with our friendship

There is nothing wrong with being firm iften times in this day and age people grew up in their beliefs they don't know any better Jesus was firm but the sarcasm and any kind of mockery is what is needed to be gotten rid of. you can be firm make them feel that conviction but any mockery any sarcasms anything other than how Jesus did it will only stoke the fire it basically deludes the truth you were trying to speak

Plenty try to justify how the act and speak they try to justify the debates as speaking truth but we have seen the results the peacekeepers the ones who show his love not giving into the tempation of responding in an unloving masnner those are the ones who may be few but they create a curiosity.

Remember how you said you wondered how one who was attacked and mocked yet was still a blessing? you spoke the answer and yes it won't be easy anyone going on this path most likely will not be recieved but for the few it es reach that is how we make the change

this place has a I am right you are wrong mentallity but it is how we respond it is the heart they see that will make the difference.

Being firm is required but if we add any ill will in it then it only causes more strife and trust me I by no means have any room to talk I am still lrarning and growing in this but the point of it all is to bring to body together as a wjole to change how we thought we knew and understaood but it is going to require us to really look at ourselves see and understand where we act according to the world and the generally way we respond compared to how many others on here do.

And granted I cannot see well I often times mix what people say compared to others and in this regard I have more than once lost dear friends because of this I can only hope that the spirit speaks to the spirit that my intentions can be known and heard not my words as they cannot always be taken as they are

But I came back on here to bring unity to hope that his love would wash over all in this forum and I cannot do it on my own I understand I am washed up by many on here but only love only understanding only responding in kindness and peace will make the fires of this place calm down no sarcasm no mocking or name calling be firm but be firm in in the truth

Do you know what love is? Specifically when we speak of God's love. And don't just say you know, tell us what love means, how it is applied and works out in life.

Look, I'm not the one with a problem here. @Genez tried to explain to you that unworthiness is a thing of the past and you responded with your catty remark of:

... when you had misunderstood what he was saying to you. I tried to explain you misunderstood and all I got back from you was more catty hiss, hiss, hiss.

Go do your spraying somewhere else because I'm putting you on ignore.