Are we under any covenants?

GRACE_ambassador · Mar 23, 2024

Precious friends, for your prayerful and Careful consideration:

"When the Bible speaks of covenants in the specific sense, it is speaking of
the covenants given to God’s chosen nation Israel. No one today in the
dispensation of Grace is a partaker of the covenants which are made between
Israel and God.

Hebrews 8:7 speaks of the first covenant and the second covenant given to Israel.
The first covenant describes the Law as given to Israel at Horeb:

“The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.” – Deuteronomy 5:2

The second covenant, or ‘better covenant’, is the ‘new covenant’ also given to Israel
(Heb 8:13, 12:24).

“For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel

after those days, saith the Lord;…” – Hebrews 8:10

And again in Jeremiah:

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new

covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:”

– Jeremiah 31:31

Knowing that the covenants were given to Israel and Judah, Paul stated
concerning his brethren according to the flesh, Israel,

“…to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants,

and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;…”

Romans 9:4

Gentiles and the Body of Christ

The covenants were between God and Israel regarding their future redemption
as spoken of by the prophets since the world began. However, Gentiles in time
past as well as those in the body of Christ today are not a part of the covenants.

Paul says,

“That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the

commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of

promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:”

– Ephesians 2:12

In order for a Gentile in time past to get the blessings of God they had to follow
the provisions of the covenant. (See “Did Gentiles in the Old Testament get saved?”
for more.) However, they were estranged from the covenants given to Israel.

During the dispensation of Grace, believers receive the benefits of the redemptive
work of Christ on the cross outside of any covenant relationship. It was purely by
God’s grace that we receive eternal life and the blessings associated with salvation.
Otherwise grace would not be grace (Romans 11:6).

Today there is neither Jew nor Gentile. There is no special status before God for
any nation today.

“For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that

He might have mercy upon all.” – Romans 11:32

Instead of a covenant providing the necessary terms of redemption, believers
today are of the same body and partakers of the promise in Christ by the gospel
of the grace of God (Eph 3:6, Titus 1:2-3). We receive the mercy and the grace of
God apart from our adherence to any covenant given in time past, we receive it
by faith (Romans 5:1, 8-10)."

(J Johnson, a fellow Grace ambassador)

Amen.

Magenta · Mar 23, 2024

Romans 11:32

Blain · Mar 23, 2024

GRACE_ambassador said:

Precious friends, for your prayerful and Careful consideration:

"When the Bible speaks of covenants in the specific sense, it is speaking of
the covenants given to God’s chosen nation Israel. No one today in the
dispensation of Grace is a partaker of the covenants which are made between
Israel and God.

Hebrews 8:7 speaks of the first covenant and the second covenant given to Israel.
The first covenant describes the Law as given to Israel at Horeb:

“The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.” – Deuteronomy 5:2

The second covenant, or ‘better covenant’, is the ‘new covenant’ also given to Israel
(Heb 8:13, 12:24).

“For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel

after those days, saith the Lord;…” – Hebrews 8:10

And again in Jeremiah:

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new

covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:”

– Jeremiah 31:31

Knowing that the covenants were given to Israel and Judah, Paul stated
concerning his brethren according to the flesh, Israel,

“…to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants,

and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;…”

Romans 9:4

Gentiles and the Body of Christ

The covenants were between God and Israel regarding their future redemption
as spoken of by the prophets since the world began. However, Gentiles in time
past as well as those in the body of Christ today are not a part of the covenants.

Paul says,

“That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the

commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of

promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:”

– Ephesians 2:12

In order for a Gentile in time past to get the blessings of God they had to follow
the provisions of the covenant. (See “Did Gentiles in the Old Testament get saved?”
for more.) However, they were estranged from the covenants given to Israel.

During the dispensation of Grace, believers receive the benefits of the redemptive
work of Christ on the cross outside of any covenant relationship. It was purely by
God’s grace that we receive eternal life and the blessings associated with salvation.
Otherwise grace would not be grace (Romans 11:6).

Today there is neither Jew nor Gentile. There is no special status before God for
any nation today.

“For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that

He might have mercy upon all.” – Romans 11:32

Instead of a covenant providing the necessary terms of redemption, believers
today are of the same body and partakers of the promise in Christ by the gospel
of the grace of God (Eph 3:6, Titus 1:2-3). We receive the mercy and the grace of
God apart from our adherence to any covenant given in time past, we receive it
by faith (Romans 5:1, 8-10)."

(J Johnson, a fellow Grace ambassador)

Amen.

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My eyes are really bad today but I felt the spirit in your words I will have to read it bit by bit but upon your first sentence I could it feel it keep doing what your doing you make me so happy and proud

Cameron143 · Mar 23, 2024

GRACE_ambassador said:

Precious friends, for your prayerful and Careful consideration:

"When the Bible speaks of covenants in the specific sense, it is speaking of
the covenants given to God’s chosen nation Israel. No one today in the
dispensation of Grace is a partaker of the covenants which are made between
Israel and God.

Hebrews 8:7 speaks of the first covenant and the second covenant given to Israel.
The first covenant describes the Law as given to Israel at Horeb:

“The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.” – Deuteronomy 5:2

The second covenant, or ‘better covenant’, is the ‘new covenant’ also given to Israel
(Heb 8:13, 12:24).

“For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel

after those days, saith the Lord;…” – Hebrews 8:10

And again in Jeremiah:

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new

covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:”

– Jeremiah 31:31

Knowing that the covenants were given to Israel and Judah, Paul stated
concerning his brethren according to the flesh, Israel,

“…to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants,

and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;…”

Romans 9:4

Gentiles and the Body of Christ

The covenants were between God and Israel regarding their future redemption
as spoken of by the prophets since the world began. However, Gentiles in time
past as well as those in the body of Christ today are not a part of the covenants.

Paul says,

“That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the

commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of

promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:”

– Ephesians 2:12

In order for a Gentile in time past to get the blessings of God they had to follow
the provisions of the covenant. (See “Did Gentiles in the Old Testament get saved?”
for more.) However, they were estranged from the covenants given to Israel.

During the dispensation of Grace, believers receive the benefits of the redemptive
work of Christ on the cross outside of any covenant relationship. It was purely by
God’s grace that we receive eternal life and the blessings associated with salvation.
Otherwise grace would not be grace (Romans 11:6).

Today there is neither Jew nor Gentile. There is no special status before God for
any nation today.

“For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that

He might have mercy upon all.” – Romans 11:32

Instead of a covenant providing the necessary terms of redemption, believers
today are of the same body and partakers of the promise in Christ by the gospel
of the grace of God (Eph 3:6, Titus 1:2-3). We receive the mercy and the grace of
God apart from our adherence to any covenant given in time past, we receive it
by faith (Romans 5:1, 8-10)."

(J Johnson, a fellow Grace ambassador)

Amen.

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Just a question: the old covenant was between God and Israel. Do you believe the new covenant is between God and Israel?

stilllearning · Mar 23, 2024

GRACE_ambassador said:

Precious friends, for your prayerful and Careful consideration:

"When the Bible speaks of covenants in the specific sense, it is speaking of
the covenants given to God’s chosen nation Israel. No one today in the
dispensation of Grace is a partaker of the covenants which are made between
Israel and God.

Hebrews 8:7 speaks of the first covenant and the second covenant given to Israel.
The first covenant describes the Law as given to Israel at Horeb:

“The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.” – Deuteronomy 5:2

The second covenant, or ‘better covenant’, is the ‘new covenant’ also given to Israel
(Heb 8:13, 12:24).

“For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel

after those days, saith the Lord;…” – Hebrews 8:10

And again in Jeremiah:

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new

covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:”

– Jeremiah 31:31

Knowing that the covenants were given to Israel and Judah, Paul stated
concerning his brethren according to the flesh, Israel,

“…to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants,

and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;…”

Romans 9:4

Gentiles and the Body of Christ

The covenants were between God and Israel regarding their future redemption
as spoken of by the prophets since the world began. However, Gentiles in time
past as well as those in the body of Christ today are not a part of the covenants.

Paul says,

“That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the

commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of

promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:”

– Ephesians 2:12

In order for a Gentile in time past to get the blessings of God they had to follow
the provisions of the covenant. (See “Did Gentiles in the Old Testament get saved?”
for more.) However, they were estranged from the covenants given to Israel.

During the dispensation of Grace, believers receive the benefits of the redemptive
work of Christ on the cross outside of any covenant relationship. It was purely by
God’s grace that we receive eternal life and the blessings associated with salvation.
Otherwise grace would not be grace (Romans 11:6).

Today there is neither Jew nor Gentile. There is no special status before God for
any nation today.

“For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that

He might have mercy upon all.” – Romans 11:32

Instead of a covenant providing the necessary terms of redemption, believers
today are of the same body and partakers of the promise in Christ by the gospel
of the grace of God (Eph 3:6, Titus 1:2-3). We receive the mercy and the grace of
God apart from our adherence to any covenant given in time past, we receive it
by faith (Romans 5:1, 8-10)."

(J Johnson, a fellow Grace ambassador)

Amen.

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I find in the broader sense that the 1st covenant was made between God and man. Showing our inability to keep it. Whereas the 2nd is made between God and God showing it ever in force because of the faithfulness of God and his ability to do all he promises.

Blain · Mar 23, 2024

Cameron143 said:

The covant, what is the covanent in regards to God? doesn't lead to him directly? whether Israel or the church what does his covent entail and if he calls all who come to him his own does it matter if it is Israel or a lost child coming into his fold?

There no Jews or gentile in his kingdom only his children regardless of nationality gender or anything else we are one in Christ the new covanent is for all

Magenta · Mar 23, 2024

Cameron143 said:

GRACE_ambassador said:

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Cameron143 · Mar 23, 2024

Magenta said:

I was simply clarifying before making a point. The new covenant wasn't made by God with Israel. It was made between the Father and the Son. It was offered first to Israel, but it wasn't made with Israel.

GRACE_ambassador · Mar 23, 2024

Cameron143 said:

Precious friend, yes, according to Scripture:

“Behold, the days come, saith The LORD, that I will make a new

covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:”

– Jeremiah 31:31

Amen.

Cameron143 · Mar 23, 2024

GRACE_ambassador said:

Israel may enter into the covenant through faith just as anyone can. In this regard they are partakers of a new covenant and all the blessing of the covenant belongs to them. But the covenant terms were made and fulfilled between Father and Son.

GRACE_ambassador · Mar 23, 2024

Cameron143 said:

Precious friend, please clarify: Are you saying "Israel, today, can "enter into the
new covenant"? If so, what then should we do with God's Scriptures?:

"And I will put My Spirit within you (house of Israel v.22), and

cause you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep My judgments,

and do them.

And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye

shall be My people, and I will be your God." (Ezekiel 36:27-28 AV)

Or, is not that fulfillment still "yet future" at the Second Prophesied
Coming of Christ, Israel's King, according to Romans 11:26, which states:

"And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out

of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob"

And, should we not:

Rightly Divide (2 Timothy 2:15) this From “Things That Differ!” (online):

Where the ungodly today, are Offered Salvation, without any prophesied
covenant, but Solely:

1) "...By Grace Through faith..." (Ephesians 2:8-9 AV), According To:

2) God's Gospel Of Grace (1 Corinthians 15:3-4 AV), According To:

3) "...the preaching Of Jesus Christ, According To The 'Revelation Of The
(Unprophesied formerly 'Hid In God') Mystery'..." (Romans 16:25 AV)

What think ye?

Amen.

Thunderrr-mental · Mar 23, 2024

GRACE_ambassador said:

Precious friends, for your prayerful and Careful consideration:

"When the Bible speaks of covenants in the specific sense, it is speaking of
the covenants given to God’s chosen nation Israel. No one today in the
dispensation of Grace is a partaker of the covenants which are made between
Israel and God.

Hebrews 8:7 speaks of the first covenant and the second covenant given to Israel.
The first covenant describes the Law as given to Israel at Horeb:

“The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.” – Deuteronomy 5:2

The second covenant, or ‘better covenant’, is the ‘new covenant’ also given to Israel
(Heb 8:13, 12:24).

“For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel

after those days, saith the Lord;…” – Hebrews 8:10

And again in Jeremiah:

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new

covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:”

– Jeremiah 31:31

Knowing that the covenants were given to Israel and Judah, Paul stated
concerning his brethren according to the flesh, Israel,

“…to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants,

and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;…”

Romans 9:4

Gentiles and the Body of Christ

The covenants were between God and Israel regarding their future redemption
as spoken of by the prophets since the world began. However, Gentiles in time
past as well as those in the body of Christ today are not a part of the covenants.

Paul says,

“That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the

commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of

promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:”

– Ephesians 2:12

In order for a Gentile in time past to get the blessings of God they had to follow
the provisions of the covenant. (See “Did Gentiles in the Old Testament get saved?”
for more.) However, they were estranged from the covenants given to Israel.

During the dispensation of Grace, believers receive the benefits of the redemptive
work of Christ on the cross outside of any covenant relationship. It was purely by
God’s grace that we receive eternal life and the blessings associated with salvation.
Otherwise grace would not be grace (Romans 11:6).

Today there is neither Jew nor Gentile. There is no special status before God for
any nation today.

“For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that

He might have mercy upon all.” – Romans 11:32

Instead of a covenant providing the necessary terms of redemption, believers
today are of the same body and partakers of the promise in Christ by the gospel
of the grace of God (Eph 3:6, Titus 1:2-3). We receive the mercy and the grace of
God apart from our adherence to any covenant given in time past, we receive it
by faith (Romans 5:1, 8-10)."

(J Johnson, a fellow Grace ambassador)

Amen.

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The title of the question are we under any covenant.

Why are you asking and what are you going to say if a person says no.

Are you going to agree with them.

A covenant is an agreement, Its clear in scripture that a person can not enter into the new covenant of Christ unless he walks in obedience to the lord's requests.

Once you are in this covenant it has to be honoured.

The new testament is a new covenant.

The whole book of the new testament is a new covenant.

It's not something you yourself are under yourself personally, it's something that God places you in.

Nehemiah6 · Mar 23, 2024

GRACE_ambassador said:

You are quite mistaken. Gentiles in the Body of Christ are under the New Covenant -- "fellow citizens" and "fellow heirs" through the sacrifice and blood of Christ. See below:

EPHESIANS 2& 3: GENTILES ARE FELLOWHEIRS WITH JEWS UNDER THE NEW COVENANT
11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;...
1For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:...
9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

In view of all this (presented in this epistle), you should now retract your statement. Unless you wish to continue promoting false doctrine.

Cameron143 · Mar 23, 2024

GRACE_ambassador said:

Precious friend, please clarify: Are you saying "Israel, today, can "enter into the
new covenant"? If so, what then should we do with God's Scriptures?:

"And I will put My Spirit within you (house of Israel v.22), and

cause you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep My judgments,

and do them.

And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye

shall be My people, and I will be your God." (Ezekiel 36:27-28 AV)

Or, is not that fulfillment still "yet future" at the Second Prophesied
Coming of Christ, Israel's King, according to Romans 11:26, which states:

"And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out

of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob"

And, should we not:

Rightly Divide (2 Timothy 2:15) this From “Things That Differ!” (online):

Where the ungodly today, are Offered Salvation, without any prophesied
covenant, but Solely:

1) "...By Grace Through faith..." (Ephesians 2:8-9 AV), According To:

2) God's Gospel Of Grace (1 Corinthians 15:3-4 AV), According To:

3) "...the preaching Of Jesus Christ, According To The 'Revelation Of The
(Unprophesied formerly 'Hid In God') Mystery'..." (Romans 16:25 AV)

What think ye?

Amen.

All that you shared are the result of the new covenant being fulfilled. Since Israel didn't fulfill the stipulations of the covenant, but Christ, how is it that the covenant is between God and Israel?

Thunderrr-mental · Mar 23, 2024

GRACE_ambassador said:

So you ask the question are we under any covenant then say we are not.

Sounds like your playing God with teaching of hyper grace to me

Or your mislead by a teaching of hyper grace one or the other.

But since you never answered if you believe in hyper grace in another thread I can only assume you do.

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