Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

2 tier? I don’t understand what that means. Do you believe that God elected some folks?

Would you state that God predestined you to arbitrarily add and subtract from what others state in order to pretend they have agreed with you?

That, is not Koo.

Or his knickers either.

Hah...I think you're right. Been a long time since I've seen that one.

The better question would be: Who would ever ask God for mercy if He had not moved them to do so?

That is not what I said however. I am positive that God effectively directs our steps towards the ability to choose. He certainly did that for me when I was just 5 years old and He has faithfully kept and guided me ever since.

Mercy does not equate to the over taking of another's will and I cannot fathom why you might seem to think it does?

Further, the working of God within the individual (by His Spirit) refers to a saved individual. Indeed, what do we have of salvation that we did not receive. It is the GIFT of God and by His mercy. Nothing whatsoever about a person having no choice in the matter.

Romans can be somewhat difficult in its presentation at times, but at no time does Paul state he was forced into salvation nor does he indicate that anyone else is. Despite the fact he was waylaid on his journey to further attack Christians, by Christ in His risen forum, Paul never states that he was, by that meeting, forced to accept Christ.

The account relates that Paul actually ASKED who was speaking to Him. He was not forced into anything. Jesus told Paul that He was the One Paul was persecuting. (note Jesus did not say why are you persecuting Christians. We, as believers, are a part of the body of Christ and therefore part of His persecution)

So if Paul asked, he was not immediately saved against his will but still had his own reasoning and could ask a question and decide his response.

Indeed. read your post 2777

Your idea of NRs (whatever that is) is all knotted up just like your knickers.
You believe there are those that have no opportunity to repent. Yet, John gives everyone, everywhere the directive to "repent."
Your gospel throws a shadow of doubt upon the mercy of God. That's rather... I don't know, I'm lost for words... adventurous, at least.

Yes, that was a spoof of the more popular man with no name series.

Apparently YOU do not believe that God loves everyone in the world. The problem is sin. He does not love sin and those who indulge in it, will resolve their own destination.

The Bible states that God created the lake of fire for the devil and his angels. Not people. They may end up there, but that will be on them.

With regards to the post in the middle:

It seems you may be trying to reconcile elect with choice with regards to salvation as you indicate in the second post above.

How do you identify what you say are the elect as separate from those you apparently say are not the elect but are saved

I know what Jesus prayed, but truly I do not see where what He said indicates two classes of Christian...those you identify as the elect sent to spread the gospel to non-elects That would indicate 2 classes of Christian as per your understanding.

Who are the elect you state have been sent and are a mission from God? We all have same instructions found in scripture

What in the world does that even mean? Who owns this ability that "God effectively directs our steps toward"? Is God directing our steps to some latent ability within us that we don't know we have? Or is he directing our steps to an alien ability outside of ourselves?
Can you provide any scripture to support your premise?

And I cannot fathom Why would you think of Grace or Mercy as "forcing" someone to make choices against their will.

And I know of no Reformed person who does not think that all God's image-bearers' are free moral agents, even though at the same time all unregenerate people in the world are in bondage to their sinful nature.

Here is "novel" idea for you: What if the power of God's Grace puts new desires into our hearts that make us willing to choose what is right[eous] rather than what is evil? Would you still consider that as God "forcing" his will down anyone's throat? Did God force his will upon Abimelech in Gen 20 to keep him from sinning against Sarah?

Yes, and Paul, as we read in Acts 9:15, was a chosen vessel.
But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel. "For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name's sake."

We can read all about the subject of election in Romans 8:
Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. - Romans 8:27-34

An example of election was when Jesus first called His disciples. Jesus knew each one from before the foundation of the world. Why? ….because God chose each one of His elect. Notice that Jesus never begged or pleaded with His disciples to follow Him. He just said"Follow Me!" and each disciple immediately dropped what they were doing and followed Him. —selah

Let’s look at Jeremiah 1: Did Jeremiah have a choice?
Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations." Then said I: "Ah, Lord GOD! Behold, I cannot speak, for I am a youth." But the LORD said to me: "Do not say, 'I am a youth,' For you shall go to all to whom I send you, And whatever I command you, you shall speak. Do not be afraid of their faces, For I am with you to deliver you," says the LORD. Then the LORD put forth His hand and touched my mouth, and the LORD said to me: "Behold, I have put My words in your mouth. See, I have this day set you over the nations and over the kingdoms, To root out and to pull down, To destroy and to throw down, To build and to plant."

- Jeremiah 1:4-10

It's really pretty simple. The elect (who have already been saved here in temporal reality) actively participate with God in saving the elect who have not yet entered the kingdom of God, in time and space, for which they have been predestined to enter before the foundation of the world. Easy peasy.

Almost right. I believe Jesus also calls the non-Elect.

Okay, lady, now you're beginning to cook with gas? And it could also be asked if Lazarus had a choice when Jesus commanded that dead man to "come forth"!? I wonder if anyone here thinks that Jesus forced his will upon the dead man?