Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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Maybe you are misunderstanding the figure of speech Jesus is using. When I request my son to put away his video game and tidy his room, he hears me, but does not want to obey. So, he ignores me. If I come in every five minutes to check on progress, and repeat my request, but he does not want to leave his game and comply, he still hears me, but is hardening his heart to my request. One could also say that I am hardening his heart by repeating my request, even though that is not my intention, since he is becoming more belligerent with each request, If my request becomes a demand, he may think his belligerence is paying off and may continue to ignore my demands. He hears, but is not listening. He sees me and my body language, but he is tuning it out into background noise versus his attention on the game. If I continue checking in and begin threatening sanctions, he may ignore those as well. I am incidentally hardening his heart by my persistent crossing of his will, he is intentionally hardening his heart against my will. He hears but does not listen (the same word in Greek (akuO). He looks but does not take heed (the same word in Greek (blepO). My son has adopyed an attitude that equates to having eyes that do not take heed and ears that do not listen. My insistence on compliance has had the undesirable but perhaps predictable effect of deepening his self-imposed blindness and deafness. When I take his computer away for a few days, he could say, "You made me ignore you by your interrupting me every five minutes. If you had just left me alone, I would have gotten onto it eventually."
I did not intentionally blind and deafen my son, though I could have correctly predicted his response to my interference would be that he would tune out and stop his ears and close his eyes. But the deafness and the blindness was all his own doing. He could have chosen to respond differently.
I did not intentionally blind and deafen my son, though I could have correctly predicted his response to my interference would be that he would tune out and stop his ears and close his eyes. But the deafness and the blindness was all his own doing. He could have chosen to respond differently.
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PaulThomson said:
Can you please, quote the text and highlight where it says that hearing is given?
You are making the claim. It's your burden to prove it. Citing a bible reference is not proof.
Can you please, quote the text and highlight where it says that hearing is given?
You are making the claim. It's your burden to prove it. Citing a bible reference is not proof.
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Not in my bible it doesn't. Verse 7 reads:
Rom 3:7
7 Someone might argue, "If my falsehood enhances God's truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?"
NIV
Verse 9 starts Paul's CONCLUSION about everything he has said previously. In chapters 1 and 2 he's been talking about the Gentiles and the Jews. This why he says in the part B of v.
"We have already (previously) made the charge that Jews and Gentiles ALIKE are under sin..". Then in v. 10 he begins quoting various Psalms showing how those OT verses apply to all humanity. They don't apply to just the Jews!
Rom 3:7
7 Someone might argue, "If my falsehood enhances God's truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?"
NIV
Verse 9 starts Paul's CONCLUSION about everything he has said previously. In chapters 1 and 2 he's been talking about the Gentiles and the Jews. This why he says in the part B of v.
"We have already (previously) made the charge that Jews and Gentiles ALIKE are under sin..". Then in v. 10 he begins quoting various Psalms showing how those OT verses apply to all humanity. They don't apply to just the Jews!
I gave the passage that explains that it was given to the disciples to understand the mysteries of the kingdom. Then Jesus quotes Isaiah 6 and explains its meaning. They did hear and understand and see and did perceive and were converted. This understanding and perception was not given to others. The way we know is that they aren't converted.
Apples and oranges. You are avoiding the point being made.
Gee I hope that is not on purpose!
Gee I hope that is not on purpose!
37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
Does this verse state they were cut to the heart by God?
Or more likely they when they heard this ...
36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
it moved them because they were persuaded of its truth.
Again another assumption this was an act of God, but I cannot find it the passage.
Why was Peter having to beseech some of them if it was all an act of God.
It really does not add up.
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+2-37&version=NIV
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Does this verse state they were cut to the heart by God?
Or more likely they when they heard this ...
36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
it moved them because they were persuaded of its truth.
Again another assumption this was an act of God, but I cannot find it the passage.
Why was Peter having to beseech some of them if it was all an act of God.
It really does not add up.
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+2-37&version=NIV
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Wow@!
You still liken God to man, don't you? You bring God down to your level so that you can make yourself equal to him? How God "hardens" men's hearts is by removing his restraining grace from them. That's what he did with Pharaoh when he hardened is heart! The king's heart is like a channel of water in God's hands and He directs it wherever he pleases (Prov 21:1).
You still liken God to man, don't you? You bring God down to your level so that you can make yourself equal to him? How God "hardens" men's hearts is by removing his restraining grace from them. That's what he did with Pharaoh when he hardened is heart! The king's heart is like a channel of water in God's hands and He directs it wherever he pleases (Prov 21:1).