The 'ELECT' vs 'Free-Choice'

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Everlasting-Grace

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Thunderrr-mental said:
what make you think you have the right to choose

But I say unto you that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment.
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Have no clue what this post is about. Only have to assume you are once again trying to get off topic and ruin a thread
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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unlike you I know exactly who this thread is aimed at.

And it's aimed at one Pacific person who happens to be a very nice person
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So your God?

The thread is quite simple.. show a different believe other than the arminian/calvin debate..

You keep trying to turn it into a calvin debate. which is off topic

Either respond to the thread or move on
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
So your God?

The thread is quite simple.. show a different believe other than the arminian/calvin debate..

You keep trying to turn it into a calvin debate. which is off topic

Either respond to the thread or move on
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Well you believe what you want 🙂
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
Have no clue what this post is about. Only have to assume you are once again trying to get off topic and ruin a thread
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are you free to choose

But I say unto you that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
Well apparently @Niki7 since when do threads about election not invite ideas about fake Calvinists.

And may I ask are you even concerned that there be genuine Calvinist out there who don't believe in fake Calvinist views.

As you only seem to see the fake ones
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She also said that she did not want to discuss Calvinism.

Read the room, pal.
 
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Aaron56 said:
She also said that she did not want to discuss Calvinism.

Read the room, pal.
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well I'm happy to discuss true calvinist beliefs not fake ones thank you for wonderful kindness and Christian love 🙂


 
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Aaron56 said:
She also said that she did not want to discuss Calvinism.

Read the room, pal.
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Are you free to choose 🙂

But I say unto you that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment.
 
FollowerofShiloh

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Free Choice is all throughout the Bible.

21 And the people said unto Joshua: 'Nay; but we will serve the LORD.'
22 And Joshua said unto the people: 'Ye are witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you the LORD, to serve Him.--And they said: 'We are witnesses.'--
23 Now therefore put away the strange gods which are among you, and incline your heart unto the LORD, the God of Israel.'
24 And the people said unto Joshua: 'The LORD our God will we serve, and unto His voice will we hearken.'



The people freely chose to put away their strange gods to serve the true God.
No one made them, tricked them, forced them.
They chose by their own ability to make choices, Free Will.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
Free Choice is all throughout the Bible.

21 And the people said unto Joshua: 'Nay; but we will serve the LORD.'
22 And Joshua said unto the people: 'Ye are witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you the LORD, to serve Him.--And they said: 'We are witnesses.'--
23 Now therefore put away the strange gods which are among you, and incline your heart unto the LORD, the God of Israel.'
24 And the people said unto Joshua: 'The LORD our God will we serve, and unto His voice will we hearken.'



The people freely chose to put away their strange gods to serve the true God.
No one made them, tricked them, forced them.
They chose by their own ability to make choices, Free Will.
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Don't see free choice here do you

Through the prophet Jeremiah, the Lord declared, “This shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; . . . I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people” (Jeremiah 31:33).
 
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would folks who actually have something to contribute please ignore the constant detractions? just ignore it

it would really be a huge favor to me. thanks
 
Niki7

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FollowerofShiloh said:
Free Choice is all throughout the Bible.

21 And the people said unto Joshua: 'Nay; but we will serve the LORD.'
22 And Joshua said unto the people: 'Ye are witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you the LORD, to serve Him.--And they said: 'We are witnesses.'--
23 Now therefore put away the strange gods which are among you, and incline your heart unto the LORD, the God of Israel.'
24 And the people said unto Joshua: 'The LORD our God will we serve, and unto His voice will we hearken.'



The people freely chose to put away their strange gods to serve the true God.
No one made them, tricked them, forced them.
They chose by their own ability to make choices, Free Will.
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well it's obvious to me and probably most people. from the Old to the New testaments that is what we see :)
 
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Niki7 said:
would folks who actually have something to contribute please ignore the constant detractions? just ignore it

it would really be a huge favor to me. thanks
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should we ignore you aiming this thread at just one person to and just go along with your interpretation.

Do you see free choice here


Through the prophet Jeremiah, the Lord declared, “This shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; . . . I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people” (Jeremiah 31:33).
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
Don't see free choice here do you

Through the prophet Jeremiah, the Lord declared, “This shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; . . . I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people” (Jeremiah 31:33).
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They could serve either the false gods or the real God. Everyone was able to decide which one they wanted to serve. Had there only been 1 option then that would mean no free will. But 2 options to pick from always shows free will.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
Free Choice is all throughout the Bible.

21 And the people said unto Joshua: 'Nay; but we will serve the LORD.'
22 And Joshua said unto the people: 'Ye are witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you the LORD, to serve Him.--And they said: 'We are witnesses.'--
23 Now therefore put away the strange gods which are among you, and incline your heart unto the LORD, the God of Israel.'
24 And the people said unto Joshua: 'The LORD our God will we serve, and unto His voice will we hearken.'



The people freely chose to put away their strange gods to serve the true God.
No one made them, tricked them, forced them.
They chose by their own ability to make choices, Free Will.
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I don't see free choice here

I see the lord speaking through people.

A bit like this really

16 I will give you the words I want you to say. I will cover you with my hands and protect you. I made the heavens and the earth, and I say to Jerusalem, 'You are my people.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
I don't see free choice here

I see the lord speaking through people.

A bit like this really

16 I will give you the words I want you to say. I will cover you with my hands and protect you. I made the heavens and the earth, and I say to Jerusalem, 'You are my people.
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God typically only speaks through people who already serve Him. These people were choosing who to serve. Clearly was not God speaking through them.
 
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