The 'ELECT' vs 'Free-Choice'

You are the only one left posting negatively. Judge for yourself.

I am only disagreeing because that was not my experience... in fact I experienced confession = agreeing with God concerning my condition before Him, long before I repented and came to believe. Some have told me I was saved then, but I find that nigh impossible to believe, since I was devoid of faith at that time.

Yep in case you didn't notice he had quite a few Hiden insults in there.

Also it wasn't Peter he called satan

It was actually satan Jesus was telling to leave not Peter.

Jesus could see what others couldn't.

It's like a gift all blessed people have.

I Was having a meaningful discussion with someone until he hijacked the discussion, and started to being Mr self centred again.

I was looking into a lot of understanding from others and we where getting somewhere until he hijacked the discussion and turned it into a barrage of unnecessary comment.

I'm sick of it to be honest I can't have a discussion with anyone here without someone butting in and changing the direction

I understand. And it's different for everyone. My oldest 2 sons were under conviction for several months before actually being saved. My experience was very quick. In some testimonies I've heard, there was just a realization that God was now present with them. So when you stated earlier in our conversation that salvation is myriad, you were spot on.

Yes where seeing the typical slanderous attitude coming from the typical self centred Jew, who in the real world attacks God everyday thinking hes more chosen than another precious life yet to be saved.

Only trouble is he's in exile with his stained through rags

I'm slanderous? Your words just made me look like a gentleman.

I am not in exile. My Home is in Heaven, not Israel.

You better check your tires. You are getting too close to that rock wall you keep racing towards....

I like that word myriad! Yes, we get on the razor's edge of understanding and things can fall either way, but for me, I experienced the conviction of being a sinner and knowing I was unworthy of the love and forgiveness God bestowed on me 15 years before I became a believer ... which is why I was asking some of the questions I did of @awelight

Longsuffering is a fruit of the Spirit. I frankly don't care if I'm insulted. Blessed are the peacemakers, not the troublemakers.

I'm slanderous? Your words just made me look like a gentleman.

I am not in exile. My Home is in Heaven, not Israel.

You better check your tires. You are getting too close to that rock wall you keep racing towards....

Tell him, "שטן, יהוה גער בך"

I agree but this thread was started to cause trouble as it was aimed directly at one person.

And she won't admit.

Neither will others admit here there deliberately trying to cause trouble for me.

Ive been on the recieving end of people trying to provoke me for weeks especially him.

And I've given him multiple peace offerings.

But making peace isn't always possible with some.

And in order for there to be peace there has to be a willingness from the other party.

Jesus gave his life for peace.

But that's only the half if it.

His sword is going to divide and confront those who don't want peace.

And when the truth is spoken it will judge the intent of the heart.

Now I've raised this question a hundreds times and got no answer.

Faith is about believing,

Revalation 3.5 clearly states all life is in the book of life unless it's removed.

That means. Spiritual all life on earth has spiritual life living in them who have all been chosen for election.

I can't get anyone who argue about being chosen to even answer if they believe this.

And the word clearly says it's true.

Longsuffering is a fruit of the Spirit. I frankly don't care if I'm insulted. Blessed are the peacemakers, not the troublemakers.

To err is human; to forgive, divine.

People are often offensive. There is no law stating we must take offense.

Does it say?

.......................... Blessed are those who aid and abet trouble makers?

Does it say?

...............................Blessed are those those who want peace for trouble makers so they can dig in deeper than before?





Said it.... and so be it.

Oh I see you are Jewish

That explains why you won't share your beliefs without arguing.

Does it say?

.......................... Blessed are those who aid and abet trouble makers?

Does it say?

...............................Blessed are those those who want peace for trouble makers so they can dig in deeper than before?





Said it.... and so be it.

Why even argue with that?


God does not care how you defy and deny at present.

For you are giving Him what you will not be able to deny and defy when you face Him.

God is Divinely efficient in all He does.

By trying to trip us up will leave you with no leg to stand on....

Enjoy the view while you can...

I also have a law that I will not take offence.



And another law that I will not serve two masters. So I dont hate people.

It says you can not serve two masters as you'll hate one and not love the other.

Whats becoming evidently clear here is we have Jewish people who are not Christian Jews

To err is human; to forgive, divine.

People are often offensive. There is no law stating we must take offense.