SPEAKING TONGUES

Jerome is the first to translate the Greek, a person who spoke multiple languages proficiently (specifically Paul's Koine Greek), into the Bible and he claims it means seeing God.

Jerome wrote τὸ τέλειον refers to the state of perfection or Christian maturity that the believer reaches at death or when they see God.

It does not mean that he was right. Look at the meaning of prophecy and see why Paul said it would cease. Forget about all these mistaken commentators who REINTERPRETED the words. But you can believe whatever you wish to believe.

We have Church Fathers, who spoke proficient Koine Greek and many claim what Jerome claims.
And you have a Reference that did not exist when Koine Greek became extinct, ended, dead for well over 1,500 years in the year 1889 and going to claim it's correct over those who spoke Koine Greek proficiently.

Comical!
Literally comical.

Church Fathers. There are some that stand out who we just love and we quote. Yet if they were here today and talked like they did when they were alive.. we would have cast them out yeah things I can't even post here. Its odd huh.

Anyway doubt will always stop the sweet holy Spirit. I find it odd how some will only believe someone that believes like them. I have books on org Greek when it comes to say 1st Cor 13:10 "Paul's point as this verse indicates when He who is perfect is fully revealed in HIs glory, then anything and everything partial will be swallowed up and in that fullness. A day of completeness and perfection is coming. Everything partial temporary or inadequate shall vanish in the light of Christs brilliant power and glory"

See what I quoted there is not just one person but so many came together and agreed. So am I to toss out all those others Scholars that speak differently about this verse? Or do I just pick the one I agree with? See I look at Christ and what He did when He walked this earth and He commissioned us to keep going and that we would do greater works then what He did because He went to His Father. The fact Christ had to go or the sweet holy Spirit would never come. To see the way the world is now.. as if its better and Christ is not needed. By that I mean everything He did. That spirit that was on Him with out measure (John 3). Hes still here and He didn't stop... if you doubt go look in the mirror.

God when He speaks He cannot lie. He said if you ask Him for the holy Spirit He will give it, a promise to believer. Why would I listen to some man tell me about Gods word what is gone, stopped or ceased or has not ceased? I seek I study I pray I look ask HIM. If you don't believe that's on you and you reap the rewards of that. So I can name those wonderful men of God that believe it has ceased. Ok then what happened to me? I was about 15 and one night this bible study they asked so kindly if I wanted the holy Spirit. I believe they had asked sometime before and I said no and they never said a word. This night I said yes. Well I always want everything God has to give. So I sat in this chair and he only read verses never saying "what that means or doesn't mean" just read verses as in Luke 11 13. Then asked if I wanted the holy Spirit I said again yes. He prays one of the shortest prayers I have ever heard.

Then stopped said "thats it you got it". I thought.. huh? Nothing happened and no one said one word. I got up and the moment I went to sit down tongues just came out. See no one said anything about it before or after as in what will happen and what you can expect. See that bible study always said "if we say anything that is no in the word of God do not believe us". Were talking faith they just believed God who cannot lie. So anytime some one says its gone ceased I say "here I am". Yeah what happened to me is exactly like being asked "hey have you received the holy Spirit since you believed?" "nope what holy spirit". Yeah.. what happened 2000 years go happened to me.

If you doubt what do you expect to happen? Odd some left out that verse "But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways."

Anyway.. see I can only speak on what I know and have experienced. He for over 50y in the lord has always kept His word. It has always happened. I have always just believed what He said. So any time you wish to compare what you have not do not ever see I have and am still seeing happen today. FAITH is the only way your going to please Him. So talk about all those works.. but with out faith they mean nothing. Faith is not something you see or feel. You walk by faith you live by faith. Man if you would just not doubt not believe me and ask Him from your heart be willing to be wrong and let Him be right. He will always back up what He says by His word. Ask Him.. Father forgive us..

Bible written that sinful could get understanding how to find contact with God

If you are saved and so on then you have to be in contact living with God not by bible

By bible God contacts those who is far away from Him

You obviously see truth over error, God given you to see and stand in, thank you

Thank you blade to see to see by standing in Faith belief to God just loves us all

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By Faith to God in risen Son for us to be born new by God is done for us by God to stand in belief to this to see new and be new, without taking any credit for the self in this truth given us.

If by works of this truth as man has done, includes me in past stuff, then I would continue to boast as man seems to continuously do that and draw in others, these others, seeing themselves as not good enough. Get drawn in, yet I glory in this, The Risen Son is preached, whether or not those there are sincere or not.

Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Still going on this very day is it not. people being self-righteous in front of others, as if they got it and will not ever sin again, making themselves better that others as in


Luke 18:9-14

King James Version

9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Me a sinner too, Father, I need you, thank you

I notice, this, not one commentator mentions verse 13


1 Corinthians 13:13

King James Version

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.


1 Corinthians 13:13

New International Version

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Love, charity, overtake every thing else, and goes on forever, as the other things do not matter as much as Love, charity, or does it, you all decide, I have and see to not be alive to the first born me, even though, that does not always be that. I see this as truth and need Love, Charity to lead, I need God, that is it , that's all folks thanks
Love you all, as presented by Son going to that cross to take away sin from Father Daddy's sight to us to be new in trust to it is finished, done for us (John 19:30, Hebrews 9:14-17)

Who are the true chosen of God in our times who are Speaking in Tongues?

Did you ever think about seeking this out yourself, rather than to put it on here? This forum isn’t for actual sound advice or counsel. A good majority of these posters aren’t even saved, much less even know anything about the Holy Spirit. You obviously weren’t looking for a real answer.

"Godswilling said:
What is a Speaking Tongues?
Is it necessary to speak in tongues in our times?"

Not to keep chiming in here lol. Not sure what the problem here is. Its all in His word. I find it very hard to answer this. No one around me was doing it just those in the bible study yet I know they must have yet I have no memory of it. I mean them just going on and on speaking in tongues. I was like 15 asked if I wanted the holy Spirit according to Luke 11:13 I asked he prayed very short pray no one said a word I go up went to sit down and it just came out. Now was there a difference after verses the days before? YES! Like night and day.. at least for me. See I can start praying in tongues.. then at some point He.. its why I say sweet sweet holy Spirit He takes over then.. you just have to keep praying and GOD is the only thing on my mind. It grows and grows.. I don't know how to explain it.

Just read what He said.. if God said He will give the holy Spirit to them that ask.. then ask its a promise to you from your Father only to believers. Father give me the holy Spirit .. thank you Father.. in Jesus name. You don't go by how you feel or what anyone says. You asked.. you know your Father cannot lie so if you asked He gave it. See the tongues part.. I never met anyone that couldn't. My mom.. she had a hard time said it was a good year before she could. I never get stuck there. Do I personally believe its for all yes. I find our personal belief will effect this. If I doubted in anyway.. that will effect it. Just search His word.. you seek you pray you find this for your self don't believe me.

Though I believe its for all.. did not Paul said and I like the AMP "Now I wish that all of you spoke in unknown tongues, but even more [I wish] that you would prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater [and more useful] than the one who speaks in tongues, unless he translates or explains [what he says], so that the church may be edified [instructed, improved, strengthened]. "

Were talking about tongues but who prophesy?

I hope not, because I've got no idea how to do it!

There are mysteries surrounding the Holy Spirit and functions of the Holy Spirit, but they are all positive. All equippings, gifts, and functions of the a Holy Spirit are for spreading the Gospel, edifying the saints, and stronger obedience to Jesus. This includes speaking in tongues, which usually is the vehicle/ evidence for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. I don’t understand it all, I’ve just seen this as experience.

Psalm 100:4

King James Version

4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.


The premise of it all, God just Loves us all, proven in son doing what is done as risen from the dead, where he preached back then to the Spirits then, that were in prison. As Matthew


Psalm 103:12

King James Version

12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Matthew 27:52-54

King James Version

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

As Paul heard from God about this grace given us by risen Son for us


2 Corinthians 12:9-10

King James Version

9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

God has Won for us the people by Son the perfect sacrifice done once for all to choose to believe God and then rest in that, thank you
Hebrews 4:9-13

Jesus said the Father will give the Holy Ghost to those who ask. Our responsibility is to believe it. Many have the experience as they praise and worship the Lord Jesus out loud. Their language actually changes to an unknown language when the God's Holy Spirit comes to dwell in them. Nothing out of the ordinary happens other than one's language changes.

Also, while some have the experience in church many do not. I've heard of God honoring requests during prayer while driving, while singing praise at home, etc. What most fail to realize is the experience will not occur if a person keeps their mouth shut. Man must willingly give God access to their tongue.

Remember Paul words, "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also." 1 Cor 14:14-15

I hope this helps. And pray you believe and receive!

thank you for that reply to "Newtochristianity
Tell me this, if he never speaks in a tongue other than his own language, \which Paul says he hopes all will, yet sees not all will, and says would rather we prophesy, tell others about God, understandably for them to believe God too

Will he according to you be saved by God if dies first here on earth?

If that be a yes, then I am not saved according to you and your Church gathering either. I am so glad "I' am not God]I stand in thanksgiving-vign and praise to god for by Son's done work all are reconciled to God by Son in his one time willing death. Everyone that is done. Yet that is not salvation That is reconciliation


2 Corinthians 5:17-20

New International Version

17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come:[a] The old has gone, the new is here! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.

Therefore, be reconciled back to God in thankfulness to God by Son for us.
Trusting God to put in us, whatever God wants, not what we want the people of flesh nature, and God I see wants at least for me to love all in the same mercy and truth he loved us all through Son form us on that cross to, us at least me Thanks
I just spoke here in a tongue of English for edification to us all to read and hear truth, "God just loves you"
Start right there in Thanksgiving and praise, between God and you
Have we the people forgotten


Ephesians 1:7
In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace

I allow the word of God to speak for itself because the truth is established/revealed by at least 2-3 scriptures. (Matt 18:16, 2 Cor. 13:1)

I'm curious, do you know what sign confirmed people had received the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost?

Jesus prayed for following:
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."

I don't understand your qestion? Or are you asking someone else.

I do believe God not me or anyone else. Jesus is sanctified and as risen sanctifies all his children, Father gives him. These kids trust the done work of Son for them in thanksgiving and praise to Father. To, his done work of Son for them as reconciled, for everything through his done work, as forgiven through him unto Father of him. The Two as Won (One) for the next person to believe sincerely to god above all else. God loves us all, otherwise would not have gone to that cross willingly for us all to get saved in his rinse Life by belief to it is done for us alone. Thanks
And you have not answered my ?
Will I be saved when I die here on earth by God, if I never speak in another tongue to anyone else
As was done on Pentecost? There was no water Baptism before hand and the tongues then was, to hear truth from each other,
Was confirmation of salvation without Law, was it not? If I need to speak in a tongue, I trust God to do that through me as the disciples trusted God on Pentecost to do through them what they could not do to get the truth to them and did that through known tongues to the others then that heard the disciples then. That spoke back to the disciples in the disciples tongue, once God entered them also, because they believed and the disciples needed confirmation. just as when Peter went to the house of Cornelius also. God does the speaking, not you, not anyone else, God Thank you loves us all
Saves us all in belief rot God as our loving friend, wanting g only wha tis best for each of his kids

Do you understand what God has done, or are you just speaking with your lip and your heart to God not in this?
I hope you do believe, it seems to me, you might not. regardless, God knows your heart's motive and you know yours also
I trust God to work it all out, thank you knowing who is who and what is what

We are not under Law to do as anyone but God says is best for us to do, between God and you, me and all others too, Utmost the new relationship is above everyone else in not harming anyone else ever again on purpose for anymore self gain

As I stated, the answer is found in the word. Speaking in unknown tongues was the sign that confirmed people had received the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2, 10, 19 and alluded to in Acts 8)