Salvation is a Free Gift.

I only want to know do you believe because you want to or made to?

First thing the Holy Spirit isn’t an it, He’s a person.
Second, are you saying during salvation the Spirit makes us an offer?

You are committing the "negative inference fallacy". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negat...y committed,yet both premises are affirmative.
Your line of argument is highly flawed.

Which verses are you referring to?

Says you - oddly enough, I didn't find https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_conclusion_from_affirmative_premises#:~:text=Negative conclusion from affirmative premises is a syllogistic fallacy committed,yet both premises are affirmative, mentioned in the Bible anywhere.

You guys keep dancing around but all who can read clearly see what YOU had to do in order to believe.

You had to accept the Gift of salvation, it was not forced on you and you were not made to accept it.

Words are kind of like semantics
I say by God I am forgiven and believe that, therefore God saved me by that belief to God, which, that I will not quit, or ever deny God, having no doubt. Have any doubt and God waits and waits for the people to get out of doubt, does not establish those that doubt, even a modicum (Isaiah 7:1-9) The same as one reads in Job. I see this when I read that book of Job. God puts my name the in place of Job. I hear God saying, I will not deny God either, God is telling you the same. trusting for you to hear it too.
Woe, woe is me


Isaiah 6:1-7

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6 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lordsitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.
6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:
7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.

In the risen Son is proof from God, Son is the way, the truth and new life offered for us the people to be saved.
Believe, receive and eventually see if one does not quit. one will see eventually not quitting, especially, whenever going through troubles here on earth first. Will, we go through troubles and continue to believe God, as Job did, and then see even deeper as Jesus did with " the art of fighting without fighting" then resurrected on the third day. seen by over 500 witnesses then, and even the Pharisees saw him as risen also. Col 2 talks of this truth too
Believe God, receive from God
Born again, (made new) whatever word(s) convey God's truth is God's communication that does this for the people that remain in belief to his love and mercy for them by Son to them, see this to stand in God's rest


Hebrews 4:9-13

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9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

trusting God not self or anyone else as I see hypo are seeing this also

Umm, okay Thanks for the info.

Nope and you say that because you don't recognize Christ as the Saviour.

Roger is saying he's a Robot.

Where in the Bible does it show us those saved are Robots?

Choose this day whom ye will serve...does not sound like a robot.

But Roger claims he is one!

Jesus said, "No one van come to me unless the Father draws Him." Judas came to Jesus and was part of His inner circle. How did he come to Jesus without the Father drawing Him?

So did scribes and pharisees come to Jesus to argue Matt. 15:1. How did they come to Jesus without being drawn by the Father.
Matt. 19:3 Phatrisees came to Jesus to test Him.
Matt 15:30 Crowds came to Jesus to be healed.

All were drawn to Him by the Father, according to Jesus.

A Robot can't know it's saved.

Poor Roger the Robot.

That was to OT national Israel, not for eternal salvation.

So, they can by Son's done work be fulfilled in us the believers of God as well. Thanks watch out for the leaven of the pharisees, still alive today in religion please? (Gal 3:19-26)

In Son, Jesus the Law and Prophets are filled as he said this in


Matthew 5:17

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17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


John 19:30

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30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.


Hebrews 9:14-17

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14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.


Hebrews 1:1-4

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1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

You still have to Believe that you are saved.
That's a CHOICE!

I edited it to John 5:28-29. So, you must have fired your response off within 5 minutes of my posting it.

PaulThomson said:
Wrong. All will be raised on the last day: some to aeonous honour and some to aeonous contempt. The believers are not the only ones who are raised by Christ on the last day. John 65:28-29; Dan. 12:2

All will be raised. Your negative inference fallacy is perverting your understanding of Jesus' words.

It's the Son's Gospel.

The Bible doesn't mention logic. But that doesn't mean you can freely ignore reasoning through biblical texts logically.

Anyone who believes they received the Gift of salvation must do as Peter instructs...

10 Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election

That's a choice to confirm that you are saved.

So it is IMPOSSIBLE to be a Robot like Roger and be saved because you must CONFIRM your Election.