The Law Is Out Of Date And Will "SOON DISAPPEAR"?

You're right, I let Jesus quote them Mat 5:19-30 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 19:17-19 Isa 56:1-7 Mat 2:27 Luke 4:16 1 John 2:6 because what we say means nothing.

So you are again saying you don't know the New Covenant laws or what the original 10 commandments are meaning?

Is that it?

Sorry but I'm having a VERY difficult time understanding what you mean when you keep changing the definitions of words.

So you can’t address anything Paul the apostle and revelator says about the law ? You can just ask other questions against what he said ?

Your main argument is “ God wrote the commandments “ so then you conclude they can never change . That’s not his conclusion however. Please actually read these it will show you the flaw in your argument

“And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭4:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

later when Moses was about to die He was told this prophetic word

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Later when that was fulfilled

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth…..
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then he said this

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

now remember where we started her

And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭4:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Your point that god wrote the commandments they are his work therefore they can’t change or be removed is not valid

he is the one who said I will make a new covenant not according to the one I made with them at Sinai . The issue isn’t the scriptures it’s your conclusions without all the information that’s what the ot lacks all the information and revelation we get from Christ and his apostles

i don’t think further study helps until we start acknolwedging what we learn

just the Word of God.

I’m not sure I’m following this thread very well, but regarding the Mystery of the Kingdom, I’ve located some terrific verses. Hope this helps.

For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles — if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.

- Ephesians 3:1-7

Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith — to God, alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen.

- Romans 16:25-27

In other words, the "mystery" is that once the Holy Spirit reveals to you the truths given to us by God‘s grace through all the Prophets and His holy Word, you will never again be able to lose your faith. You will always be obedient to follow Jesus.
—selah

Remember....memorialize
The...an article signifying one out of many
Sabbath....cease or stop
Day....capitalized and singular
and....conjunction showing more requirements
Keep....an imperative of holding
It....singular pronoun
Holy....to be pure, single-minded, good, reserved for special use instead of mundane.

All total this Commandment is about the Day that the Old Covenant keeping was to end on the Day Jesus made himself the perfect Sacrifice to end all sacrifices.

He first spoke a better covenant then shed his blood of atonement.

All that I said was: "I am no one."

It doesn't matter if people speak positively about themselves or if they lower themselves as did Paul, whom said that he was the worst o the worst . . . there will always be someone to tell you that you're wrong.

Why do Christians feel the need to run around and correct everyone? Could this be, perhaps, why Christians are absolutely hated? Is it because we represent ourselves as pigs instead of Holy and Righteous Sheep?

I find it interested that when I ask others which Bible they prefer, so as to give them the proof they're looking for . . . rarely has such a person ever given me their preferred translation. Yet incredibly, these same people pick apart the translations you quote from. And then are some, who do acknowledge their preferred translation, but when you quote from their own beloved translation, they call it jargon.

I'm sorry, but I just don't have time for this. Take care.

“Could this be, perhaps, why Christians are absolutely hated?”

“If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake. Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:22-23, 26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Absolutely correct. In complete agreement. No error here.

I’m on my phone now so I would encourage you to read my scripture references.

Does God break His promises? He does not
so -we do so when God says He will not alter His Words - does it show faith to believe Him?

Read Psalms 89:34

The Ten Commandments have not changed why Jesus said not to break or teach others to break the least of these. Mat 5:19
Why the new Covenant is based on better promises Heb 8:6 not new laws as it still has God’s law now written in the heart Heb 8:10. It’s not the same covenant or agreement because God is the one doing instead of the people doing Exo 19:7 if Jesus tells us not not break the least of these commandments or teach others to and in doing so one would be in fear of sin and Judgement should we believe Him? I do.
I’ll respond more later once I’m back on my computer

Just for the record: I mostly blame the Evangelicals for this mess. Their veneration of the 10 Commandments was fueled by their hate toward sinners. The 10 were useful weapons against their political opponents.

Just above, Psalm 89 is cited as a case for "God never altering His words." Specifically, this was cited in reference to God's promises.

If one is enlightened by the Spirit of Christ, they could easily deduce that Psalm 89, the whole of it, is about God's promises to David!

In 2 Samuel 7, Nathan prophesies this over David:

12 “When your days are fulfilled and you rest with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who will come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his Father, and he shall be My son. If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men. 15 But My mercy shall not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 And your house and your kingdom shall be established forever before you. Your throne shall be established forever.” ’ ”

IF one knows Christ and is no longer blinded by the Old Testament and Moses, they would recognize that this prophesy has nothing to do with the covenant at Sinai (the one that includes the setting aside of 1/7 of one's life for God) but is in reference to Christ Jesus, the Messiah who would come.

God promised the royal line of David would persist in the earth forever. In light of the gospel, we know this was fulfilled in Jesus Christ, who is of David.

Matthew 1:1 begins thus: "The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham..."

THIS is the promise that God would not change. Indeed, He is alive in the earth, today, in us who believe.

I do not have time to play guessing games, just explain what you mean.

Amen brother ! there are so many scriptures but if we try we can pit them to war against each other , or like youve done here look and see it for what it is and it actually makes sense .

“Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

okay, thank you, love you as you are cool

The new covenant first occurrence in the bible was this verse from Jeremiah;

Jer 31:33 “But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My law in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.

This verse speaks about a new covenant that God promises to establish with the house of Israel. In the context of the broader passage, this verse is part of a prophecy about a future restoration of Israel and a new relationship between God and His people.

The key concept in this verse is the idea of God's law being internalized by the people. In the preceding verses, Jeremiah speaks of a time when God will make a new covenant with Israel, different from the covenant made at Sinai which was written on stone tablets. Instead of an external law that the people must follow, God promises to write His law on their hearts and minds.

This internalization of the law implies a deep, personal understanding and commitment to following God's commands. It suggests a transformation of the inner being, where obedience to God's law becomes natural and intrinsic rather than something imposed from the outside.

The significance of this passage lies in the intimate relationship between God and His people. By inscribing His law on their hearts and minds, God indicates a closeness and direct connection with His people. They will not just know the law intellectually but will be guided by it instinctively in their thoughts and actions.

This verse also implies a shift in the nature of the covenant relationship. Instead of merely being bound by external laws and rituals, God's people will have a deep, personal relationship with Him. He will be their God, and they will be His people, not just by outward adherence to a set of rules, but by the internal transformation wrought by His presence and His law within them.

In terms of "THE LAW," it refers to the moral and ethical principles that God had previously revealed to the Israelites, particularly through the Ten Commandments. Under the new covenant promised by Jeremiah, the commandments are not abolished but internalized, becoming a fundamental part of the identity and character of God's people.

this is what the bible says.

Yeah....
You don't know the New Testament. Don't understand the Old Testament
BUT
You somehow believe that you are somehow righteous enough to tell us how sinful we are for not going to church on a particular day of the week?

I guess since you don't see the lack of congruity in your logic or in standing to be able to preach to others....you definitely can't understand scripture...

Here's a thought for you....
What if you are wrong?
What would it take for you to believe it?

What if it could be proven that Ellen White was a lunatic preying upon those already destitute and highly suggestible? (Not quite a hero prophetess)

We need to make sure the way we are reconciling scripture that does not put God or Jesus contradicting His Word.

God breakes none of His promises.

Psa 89:34
My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

So you ask, what about the New Covenant, God said it won't be like the others.

God addressed this plainly without Him breaking His Promise of no alterations to His words that has gone out of His mouth

Hebrews 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

So the entire covenant is established on better promises. Where in God's Word does say it was established on better or new laws? Something Perfect needs to alterations Psa 19:7 God said He would NOT alter His Word- by faith should we believe Him? I think we should.

What does God say about the New Covenant and why is it established on better promises....

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

So God clearly tells us He writes His laws in the New Covenant. What are His laws?

Deut 4:13 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the ]Ten Commandments.

God is good to His promises, so His words He will not alter and He writes His laws from tables of stone to tablets of the heart and who is the one doing this time? It is God doing.

Who was doing in the old covenant?

Exo 19:8 Then all the people answered together and said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do.”

Isn't it a much better promise having God doing with His strength than based on people doing? All we need to do is cooperate with God and not rebel what He placed on our hearts Heb 3:7-8 Mat 15:3-14 Rom 8:7-8

Which harmonizes with what Jesus taught- not a jot or tittle can be changed Mat 5:18 therefore whoever breaks the least of these or teaches others to break....well that's a path we shouldn't want to take Mat 5:19-30 Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15

Not everyone who keeps the Sabbath is SDA. The person you made this reply to is not.

The Sabbath is not for everyone just those who according to Jesus....want to do what is justice and righteousness and does not want to do evil but wants to join themselves with Christ to serve and love His name.

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Because when we defile His Sabbath this is what we are doing to Jesus

Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

Yeah could always believe what it says also and not try to avoid it 😁