The Law Is Out Of Date And Will "SOON DISAPPEAR"?

Amen it’s a veil over one’s eyes tbat hides Christ the law of Moses is what blinded the people because they worshipped the calf at Sinai

“Seeing then that we have such hope, we ( nt apostles ) use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries; because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols. Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; and I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭20:23-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


moses is good to read for us in Christ because we understand the law was a shadow so we can see the prophetic word that promises Christ in the law and also understand tbat is not our covenant or law .

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; ( they foretold his coming with the gospel ) even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

2 Kings 5:1 - 15
1 Now Naaman, captain of the host of the king of Syria, was a great man with his master, and honourable, because by him the Lord had given deliverance unto Syria: he was also a mighty man in valour, but he was a leper.
2 And the Syrians had gone out by companies, and had brought away captive out of the land of Israel a little maid; and she waited on Naaman's wife.
3 And she said unto her mistress, Would God my lord were with the prophet that is in Samaria! for he would recover him of his leprosy.
4 And one went in, and told his lord, saying, Thus and thus said the maid that is of the land of Israel.
5 And the king of Syria said, Go to, go, and I will send a letter unto the king of Israel. And he departed, and took with him ten talents of silver, and six thousand pieces of gold, and ten changes of raiment.
6 And he brought the letter to the king of Israel, saying, Now when this letter is come unto thee, behold, I have therewith sent Naaman my servant to thee, that thou mayest recover him of his leprosy.
7 And it came to pass, when the king of Israel had read the letter, that he rent his clothes, and said, Am I God, to kill and to make alive, that this man doth send unto me to recover a man of his leprosy? wherefore consider, I pray you, and see how he seeketh a quarrel against me.
8 And it was so, when Elisha the man of God had heard that the king of Israel had rent his clothes, that he sent to the king, saying, Wherefore hast thou rent thy clothes? let him come now to me, and he shall know that there is a prophet in Israel.
9 So Naaman came with his horses and with his chariot, and stood at the door of the house of Elisha.
10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean.
11 But Naaman was wroth, and went away, and said, Behold, I thought, He will surely come out to me, and stand, and call on the name of the Lord his God, and strike his hand over the place, and recover the leper.
12 Are not Abana and Pharpar, rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel? may I not wash in them, and be clean? So he turned and went away in a rage.
13 And his servants came near, and spake unto him, and said, My father, if the prophet had bid thee do some great thing, wouldest thou not have done it? how much rather then, when he saith to thee, Wash, and be clean?
14 Then went he down, and dipped himself seven times in Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God: and his flesh came again like unto the flesh of a little child, and he was clean.
15 And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel: now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.

Jesus is speaking to the heart issues that cause us to sin . For instance he says “ you hewrd in the law Thou shalt not commit adultery “

a then he says BUT I tell you if anyone looks upon a woman with list in his heart he’s already committed adultery of his heart and would then need to repent before he commits the action because now he’s following the inner spiritual things and convictions Jesus identifies the corrupt thought and heart issue that causes us to sin , because that’s where we can overcome sin and stop serving it if we confront the inner things Jesus spoke of

am I greedy and does money matter more than other people to me ?

Do I entertain and abide with lustful thoughts all the time and look at every woman wrong ?

The light causes us to see things we didn’t in our hearts so we can repent am I too proud ? Do I look down on others ?

what domi do when I see a person in need ? Am I like a Pharisee and priest walking by like i don’t see them ? Or like the Good Samaritan who went out of his way to help the man in trouble ?

instwqd of a list of rules it’s inner thoughts th at we reflect on and consider and it turns into repentance later because he begins bringing not our sins to light but the knee things that cause us to want to sin and act in it

This is a real effect of abiding in hearing and learning from Jesus in the gospel

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, until all is fulfilled.

Whatsoever the law says, it says to those who are under the law; that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may become guilty before God.

The law was added because of transgressions.

Before faith, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith that should afterwards be revealed. Wherefor the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith, but after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

For this cause, Jesus is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first testament, those which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Was Paul describing the Jewish position or was Paul describing the Gentile position in Romans 3:19?

I am certain that the Jews were given the law but I have never observed the Gentiles being under
the law. Paul refers to the Gentiles as the uncircumcised, this alone tells us the Gentiles were
not under the letter of the law.

Also, if you do not believe that Jesus fulfilled 'all things' then you would need to explain.

Why Jesus did not fulfill all the law and the prophets as promised?

Luke 18:31
Now He took the twelve aside and said to them, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem,
and all the things that have been written through the prophets about the Son of Man will be accomplished.

Luke 21:22
because these are days of punishment, so that all things which have been written will be fulfilled.

Luke 21:32
Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place.

Luke 24:44
Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you,
that all the things that are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and
the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

Wrong again!! There's the "Great Judgement", where the Goats and the sheep are separated.
And then there the "judgement seat of Christ, where CHRISTIANS are judged, and rewarded for what they did with what they were given.

The sheep and the tares is a parable, but it means those who think they are in Christ are with those who are in Christ, we won’t know the difference until Judgement Day, which is on the Last Day. John 12:48

SO you're totally ignorant of what the bible says obviously.

Glad to see bible verses used..

The law was added because of transgression..
Sin is the transgression of the law.
There must have been a law in place from the start and in place before the law "above" was added. The law that was added was because people were transgressing the law... 2 laws.

One was added one was always there.

Adam and Eve sinned in eden so a law was in place.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

The added law was different to the law that defined Sin.

Gal 3:23-25
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Which law is our schoolmaster that brought us to Christ?

2 laws? The law that defined Sin from the start or the added law that pointed to the plan of salvation.

Jesus replaced the cerimonial laws of ordinances. Jesus did not remove the moral laws.

The sanctuary on earth was a pattern that God gave to Moses, it was a shadow of the Heavenly things. There are more verses ....

Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Heb 9:23-26
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Rev 11:19 KJV And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

The heavenly temple had ark of the testament in it.

The ark of the testament contained the mercy seat and the 10 commandments.

You are right that the old Jewish law has been replaced by the new covenant of Jesus called the law of faith Romans 3:27. Hebrews 9:16-17 tells us exactly “when”. “For where there is a testament there must of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force AFTER men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.” This is exactly the way it is today with anyone’s “will.” If a man has a million dollars, he may spend that money anyway he wants until he dies. THEN, his will comes into effect and only those who meet the terms of the will get any money.
Jesus was born a Jew. He lived under the Old Jewish law given by Moses as long as He lived. Salvation was His to give to anyone he pleased, in any WAY He pleased— like the man who was let down through a roof. Jesus forgave him his sins. That man was saved, but that does not mean WE, today, can be saved that way. He saved the thief on the cross, but that does not mean we can be saved that way. Once Jesus died, he would no longer be here to personally save people so He put instructions into His “will” for how his people would be saved after his death. His New Law of faith was now in force. The old Jewish law with all of its commandments, animal sacrifices, tithing, sabbath keeping—all of it was “NAILED TO HIS CROSS” as Colossians 2:14 says. All of the 10 Commandments were brought over into Christ’s new law EXCEPT keeping the 7th day Holy. Disciples of Christ have a new day to keep. It’s the first day of the week. We keep it because that’s what the 1 st century Christians kept in Acts 20:7. It’s the day Jesus rose from the dead and it’s the day Christ’s church began in Acts 2. Sadly, most religious people do not understand the teaching in the New Testament about the law of Moses “vanishing away” and the Law of faith which is now in force.

There is no scripture or indication in the scriptures that only “SOME” of the old law was done away. It was ALL nailed to his cross. It was a law ONLY for Jews. It never was intended for gentiles. See Deuteronomy 5:2-4
That’s why Christ had to come and bring a new Law of faith ( Romans 3:27) that was for all people, Jews and gentiles alike.
As for the 10 commandments , all of them were included in Christ’s new law EXCEPT for keeping the 7th day Holy. Many of those were included in Christ’s sermon on the mount in Matthew 5-7. One is in Ephesians 6:1. I keep them today, but not because they are in the Old Testament but because they are in Christ’s law.
As disciples of Christ, we have a new day that we honor. It is the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK. We use THAT day to assemble with the saints (Hebrews 10:25) because that was the practice of the first century Christians when the apostles were alive directing them. See Acts 20:7. Christians assembled on the first day of the week to take the Lord’s supper and Paul preached to them. Also, 1Cor. 16:1-2 tells all Churches to take up their collections on the first day of the week. so we know the first churches and the first Christians met on that day. You won’t find Christians keeping the 7th day holy under Christ’s new law. The first day was the day our Lord rose from the dead and it was the day His church began (Acts 2).
God tells us that the things in the Old Testament were written for our LEARNING—that we might not sin like they sinned. Romans 15:4, 1Cor. 10:11

Ephesians 4:5 NLT - "There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism . . ."

Romans 3:19-20 NLT - "Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God. For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are."

Yes, the old law has “vanished away” according to Hebrews 8:13. It has become “obsolete”. The New Testament is BETTER than the Old Testament. Hebrews 7:22 and 7:6. Therefore, He (God) took away the first (covenant) so that He could establish the second (covenant). Hebrews 10:9. The law has been CHANGED!” Hebrews 7:12.

So we are not justified (saved) by keeping the works of the law. Galations 3:16 and 3:10-13.
It was our tutor (teacher) to bring us unto Christ; but now that Christ has come, we are NO LONGER under a tutor. Galations 3:24
Whoever seeks to be justified (saved) by the law has FALLEN FROM GRACE. Galations 5:4. For clarification, He is talking about the old Jewish law given by Moses.

The 10 commandments (all except one) are not kept because they are part of that old law that has been done away, but because They have been brought over into Christ’s new law. Several were included in. Christ’s sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5-7. One is in Eph.6:1, many times stealing, lying, coveting, adultery, murder and idolatry are condemned in the. NEW LAW of Christ. So don’t worry about the 10 commandment being “done away.” They are all there in the new law EXCEPT one. Keeping the 7th day holy is no longer binding. Instead, we worship on the 1st day of the week Acts 20:7, and take up collections for the church on the 1st day of the week 1 Cor. 16:1-2. It was the day Jesus rose from the dead and the day His church began in Acts 2.

Jesus was born a Jew. He lived under the old law given by Moses. He had to keep that law as long as He lived, BUT, Hebrews 9:16-17 tells us exactly WHEN the old law ceased—when Jesus died. Colossians 2:14 he took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross. That’s when the old law was no longer in force and Christ’s new law came into effect. Just like any “will” today.

Where does God say God wrote of all His laws in the New Covenant except one commandment? I do not see that in the scripture.

God said He wrote His law in our hearts and minds Heb 8:10, not some of them, or 9 of the Ten Commandments, this is a teaching of man not a teaching of God.

The New Covenant is not established on better laws, because God's law is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 and you can't make something perfect, more perfect.

The New Covenant is established on better promises, not better or new laws. Heb 8:6

It why Jesus kept all of the commandments and taught us not to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19, not believing the teachings of Jesus of following his example is not how the faithful live. Mat 4:4 1 John 2:6

The commandments are not kept to be saved, it is a consequence of being saved, not a means to it. We are only saved by faith through the blood of Jesus. The saved live differently than the lost. The lost do not subject themselves to God's law nor indeed can they Rom 8:7-8 but the saved live by righteousness through faith and by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Mat 4:4

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

It is quite refreshing to see that someone actually reads their Bible. These things that you have eloquently pointed out, are as clear and transparent as a perfect sheet glass.

You jump to your own conclusion, and contradict scripture!. The old covenant has NOT passed away. Please READ carefully the passage heb 8:13: In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

It does not mean that the old covenant is vanished yet!

The proof is in the texts, here it is, Paul quotes Jeremiah here is the original text;

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

what is this covenant? it is the ten commandments!

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the Covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

What is the New Covenant? the same!!, the 10 Commandments, this is not a mystery but clearly written!

Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

note that chapter 31 is about the time of the second coming of Christ, read the previous and following chapters to see the timeline in full context!

How can the new covenant defined as the 10 commandments be in your inward parts and written your in heart if you refuse to follow the commandments by saying ""the old law is vanished away""?

Jesus among other things said very clearly the commandments would not pass away. How can anyone think the commandments have vanished? and contradict scripture so blatantly? Jesus came first to the Jews but clearly sent the disciples to teach the same message to the gentiles, Acts 15:7-9, confirms Peter was sent by God to the gentiles.

The new covenant is in effect in those who truly believe by have repented and willingly obey the teachings of Christ the son of GOD, those who belong to Christ. The message of Christ was to repent from one sins defined by the commandments! to enter life and heaven, a requirement indeed. Simply believing is not sufficient, one Must prove in this life his devotion and do God's will as Jesus did;

Matthew 21:28-31 (KJV)

"But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not. Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you."

About the law;

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them,the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Sorry to be blunt but the truth of what scripture says needed to be reminded. @2ndTimothyGroup

The fact that you self-admittedly refer to yourself as blunt, completely takes away from the Power of Scripture. Why? Because I didn't read anything but your opening and closing lines. Indeed, you're rather abrasive, and I have no time for such people. If you'd like to be kind and gentle as you are clearly commanded, I'd take your interpretations seriously. When you have been taught to be kind, perhaps then your understanding of Scripture will be more accurate.

May the Lord grant you the most amazing of Blessings.

The New Testament Law is still binding.