Mike Winger's "Why I think Calvinism is Unbiblical"

Two thousand years +

Lots of lost souls in the mean time, is that is how your God works?

Anyone who believes in predestination and God made them saved would definitely be on the "left side" because you won't ever see the Reformed doing...43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.
They believe God does everything and doing works is against their doctrine.

But God did most certainly predestine some to salvation. Come on, folk; it’s written. What does it say in Romans 8:29 again?
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

- Romans 8:28-30 (KJV)

Matthew 25:43 is certainly not talking about true Christians/Elect.

—Selah

... salvation is where in that scripture? I agree you couldn't be any of those things if you were not saved never-the-less you could be saved and not attain to those things.

The WHOLE HOUSE of Israel.

Good Saturday mornin’!
I believe “salvation” is in the word “justified“—Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Strong's Concordance
dikaiósis: the act of pronouncing righteous, acquittal
Original Word: δικαίωσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: dikaiósis
Phonetic Spelling: (dik-ah'-yo-sis)
Definition: the act of pronouncing righteous, acquittal
Usage: acquittal, justifying, justification, a process of absolution.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 1347 dikaíōsis (a feminine noun derived from 1344/dikaióō, "to approve, justify") – justification (divine approval), emphasizing Christ's full payment of the debt for sin which liberates the believer from all divine condemnation. See 1343(dikaiosynē).

1347 /dikaíōsis ("justification") is used only in Ro 4:25 and Ro 5:18. It focuses on the acquitted penalty by receiving Christ – i.e. as a person is moved from eternal "condemned" to "divinely pardoned" at conversion. 1347 (dikaíōsis) is the cognate in the dik- word-family which most closely aligns with the theological meaning of the term justification."

[1347 (dikaíōsis), in ancient secular Greek, is closely associated with the pressing need to be released from deserved punishment(Josephus, Ant 18:14; Plutarch (Art 14:3). Thuccydides (3.82.4) uses 1347 (dikaíōsis) as "justification, in our sense of the word" (C. Spicq, 1:345).

In Christ are the redeemed and the redeemed are in Christ.

Christ is Israel.
New Testament supersedes the Old.

Everlasting - lasting or enduring through all time : ETERNAL

Psalms 105, “He remembers His covenant forever, the word which He commanded, for a thousand generations, the covenant which He made with Abraham, and His oath to Isaac, and confirmed it to Jacob for a statute, to Israel as an everlasting covenant.”

justified means shown to be right, in this case shown to be elect

Oh yes, I agree He does. But I think this proves the point that man can respond to God as opposed to total depravity.

we believe the works that God does in us and through us. who did God predestine to be damned?

Our names are in the book of life until they are blotted out.

.... but to be in the Lamb's book needs to be predestined.

Amen, we're in the Book until we sin against God

33 But the Lord said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book.

So was the covenant of circumcision an "everlasting" covenant in the same context? Isn't it fulfilled through Christ in the same way? If so, doesn't that mean Christians are entitled to all the promises of God through Christ? If not, how does that reconcile with what Paul taught in his numerous letters such as Galatians?
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In Christ are the redeemed and the redeemed are in Christ.

Christ is Israel.
New Testament supersedes the Old.

Permit be to be blunt then, TULIP is not truth.

We have talked about Cornelius, how can one argue total depravity after reading about him and his family?

Dear sir I don't disagree with any of these truths.

These things are true of the present situation.

I love the bible, I am sure you do too, in it everything you could ever wish to know about Israel is written, their history, not like British or American history which only records the great triumphs and success, feats of valour etc. The bible records the downside of Jewish history as well, their failures, and everything is prophesied well in advance. No Jew ever needed to be surprised at their defeat by the King of Babylon and their removal hence. And yet they were surprised.

They were surprised because they reading the wrong prophecies relating to a different time in their history, they were trusting in the wrong promises. Many Christians today are doing the same thing, believing the word of God that do not relate to them but which relate to a different time and a different epoch.

So far as prophecy goes and eschatology people take all the prophecies relating to Israel and mix them up into a massive stew as though all prophecies either relate to the past or to the future.

You say their stumble was a thing appointed unto them ... why are you surprised then that they did stumble? what have they done that they were not appointed or ELECT to do? YOU could not have been saved if they had not stumbled. Their greatest sin has turned out to be God's greatest triumph.

This is the summing up of Paul's lengthy teaching on the Jews in Romans.

Have they then stumbled so as to fall? God forbid! but through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles so as to make Israel jealous ..... [Paul recognises that there is still an Israel who God is dealing with]
Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles how much more will their FULL INCLUSION mean? Romans 11.

Their rejection has meant reconciliation for the world but their acceptance mean but life from the dead? People talking so much about the Rapture or the first resurrection life from the dead. Y'all hear me now, there will be no rapture until the Jews are ready to be brought in.

The coming of the Lord is for to reign and He will reign through Israel. He was crucified as King of the Jews and so He still is.

When people read prophecy related to Israel they must read those prophecies which relate to and generally start "it will come to pass in the latter days," all the other prophecies have come to pass, it is now history. How God smote the Shepherd and scattered the sheep. Jesus said that happened when He was arrested.

Now the prophecies relating to God's gathering of His sheep are the prophecies relating to Israel today ... and we see it with our own eyes.

Their time is coming and our time of redemption is coming. Glory for the Jews and greater glory for the Church. But you can't leave the Jews out of the equation. It is like taking a huge slice out of a cake.

Firstly they are not the church they are the nations, "The King will come and set all the nations before Him" The church is not the nations.

We do not know what their reward is, Is eternal life granted for good deeds?

"Lord when did we see You hungry and feed You" shows that did not know the truth concerning "Christ IN YOU the hope of glory"

It doesn't make sense

Jesus said they had done it to "these My brethren" how then can they also be "these My brethren?" why then didn't He say to the goats "ye did it not to one of the least of these sheep"?

"these My brethren" are the church.

So what about their reward? You know their is to be a NEW earth and a new heaven. Who then are to populate the earth?

Even though heaven and earth are to be united in that day yet still there is earth as distinct from heaven. "blessed be the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven ... blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth"

God foreknew ... God did not prophesy to Adam that he would sin, He warned him of the consequences and strictly forbade him.

One way of putting it would be to say that Adam rebelled against God's predestinated plan.