Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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Apparently we do diverge on the meaning and extent of the consequences of spiritual death. What makes you think I see sin entering the world and the being of man in some light way, or that I view separation from God in some light way? Maybe you don't have an idea of the extent of all that I include in man being separated from his Creator and what it has taken for God to resolve the matter and bring man back to Him.
I don't see the need for getting into the fall and the change in man and what was required to deal with sin when we're now discussing faith and whether or not man retained the ability to have faith in what God revealed to him throughout history. If you think you have some point to make from the fall, then by all means explain it.
Do you have answers to how Scripture discusses the fact that men have had Faith at minimum from Abel through the revealing of God's Son and to what @PaulThomson has pointed out re: the object of Faith?
Maybe you've answered this. I'll move on.
I don't see the need for getting into the fall and the change in man and what was required to deal with sin when we're now discussing faith and whether or not man retained the ability to have faith in what God revealed to him throughout history. If you think you have some point to make from the fall, then by all means explain it.
Do you have answers to how Scripture discusses the fact that men have had Faith at minimum from Abel through the revealing of God's Son and to what @PaulThomson has pointed out re: the object of Faith?
Maybe you've answered this. I'll move on.
I did answer your question earlier. And it is important what transpired in Adam as a result of the fall because we have all inherited the same.
I do believe you understand what God has done in Christ to reconcile mankind to himself. But that isn't the topic directly. And if only the mind of man was corrupted in the fall, that would require one remedy for reconciliation. If more than simply the mind was affected, that might very well require a different remedy.
As this is clearly the difference in our understandings, I asked some questions that might provoke a different line of reasoning. If you are content in your understanding, grace and peace.
I do believe you understand what God has done in Christ to reconcile mankind to himself. But that isn't the topic directly. And if only the mind of man was corrupted in the fall, that would require one remedy for reconciliation. If more than simply the mind was affected, that might very well require a different remedy.
As this is clearly the difference in our understandings, I asked some questions that might provoke a different line of reasoning. If you are content in your understanding, grace and peace.
the artful dodger
well at least you half way admitted that the Bible does bring up the subject of understanding
I am not reading all the posts and only was addressing your particular 'insight' and by theway, I agreed with scripture
you stating I am being contrary should be understood as contrary to Calvinism or shades of the same doctrine
well at least you half way admitted that the Bible does bring up the subject of understanding
I am not reading all the posts and only was addressing your particular 'insight' and by theway, I agreed with scripture
you stating I am being contrary should be understood as contrary to Calvinism or shades of the same doctrine
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Does not answer my question. Where does the text say Adam and Eve felt guilt?
Or, instead of deflecting, you could just admit the text does not say that they did.
Of course that would also show another instance where you go beyond what the text says.
And I know how very much you hate to admit that you do that...
Or, instead of deflecting, you could just admit the text does not say that they did.
Of course that would also show another instance where you go beyond what the text says.
And I know how very much you hate to admit that you do that...
Emotions are a bodily response to our environment. IMO.
"Emotions arise from activations of specialized neuronal populations in several parts of the cerebral cortex, notably the anterior cingulate, insula, ventromedial prefrontal, and subcortical structures, such as the amygdala, ventral striatum, putamen, caudate nucleus, and ventral tegmental area." https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...IQFnoECA8QBQ&usg=AOvVaw0x5mEEAXXbvNqhID0kAZH0
"Emotions arise from activations of specialized neuronal populations in several parts of the cerebral cortex, notably the anterior cingulate, insula, ventromedial prefrontal, and subcortical structures, such as the amygdala, ventral striatum, putamen, caudate nucleus, and ventral tegmental area." https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...IQFnoECA8QBQ&usg=AOvVaw0x5mEEAXXbvNqhID0kAZH0
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I've read in other posts how you have a primary focus on the heart. I've also supplied you with quite a bit of detail on how the heart is spoken of in Scripture and how it overlaps extensively with the mind and thinking. I don't recall any answer from you after I supplied that information.
Yes, God gives man a new heart and for a reason clearly given in Ez36. Do you think that reason says so man can have Faith in what God reveals?
The topic we were discussing is Faith and whether or not fallen man has the faulty that can have Faith in God and what He reveals. It looks to me like you are not prepared to answer several questions about men having Faith throughout history and to respond to an explanation of Faith at work in man that simply requires the content from God to have Faith in.
Yes, God gives man a new heart and for a reason clearly given in Ez36. Do you think that reason says so man can have Faith in what God reveals?
The topic we were discussing is Faith and whether or not fallen man has the faulty that can have Faith in God and what He reveals. It looks to me like you are not prepared to answer several questions about men having Faith throughout history and to respond to an explanation of Faith at work in man that simply requires the content from God to have Faith in.