Particular Redemption

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The Spurgeon Library | Particular Redemption

The doctrine of Redemption is one of the most important doctrines of the system of faith. A mistake on this point will inevitably lead to a mistake through the entire system of our belief.

Now, you are aware that there are different theories of Redemption. All Christians hold that Christ died to redeem, but all Christians do not teach the same redemption. We differ as to the nature of atonement, and as to the design of redemption.

For instance, the Arminian holds that Christ, when He died, did not die with an intent to save any particular person; and they teach that Christ's death does not in itself secure, beyond doubt, the salvation of any one man living. They believe that Christ died to make the salvation of all men possible, or that by the doing of something else, any man who pleases may attain unto eternal life; consequently, they are obliged to hold that if man's will would not give way and voluntarily surrender to grace, then Christ's atonement would be unavailing. They hold that there was no particularity and speciality in the death of Christ. Christ died, according to them, as much for Judas in Hell as for Peter who mounted to Heaven. They believe that for those who are consigned to eternal fire, there was a true and real a redemption made as for those who now stand before the throne of the Most High.

Now, we believe no such thing. We hold that Christ, when He died, had an object in view, and that object will most assuredly, and beyond a doubt, be accomplished. We measure the design of Christ's death by the effect of it. If any one asks us, "What did Christ design to do by His death?" we answer that question by asking him another—"What has Christ done, or what will Christ do by His death?"


II. Now, secondly, we must measure the great redemption BY THE STERNNESS OF DIVINE JUSTICE. "God is love," always loving; but my next proposition does not at all interfere with this assertion. God is sternly just, inflexibly severe in His dealings with mankind. The God of the Bible is not the God of some men's imagination, Who thinks so little of sin that He passes it by without demanding any punishment for it. He is not the God of the men who imagine that our transgressions are such little things, such mere peccadilloes that the God of Heaven winks at them, and suffers them to die forgotten. No; Jehovah, Israel's God, hath declared concerning Himself, "The Lord thy God is a jealous God." It is His own declaration, "I will by no means clear the guilty." "The soul that sinneth, it shall die." Learn ye, my friends, to look upon God as being as severe in His justice as if He were not loving, and yet as loving as if He were not severe.

His love does not diminish His justice, nor does His justice, in the least degree, make warfare upon His love. The two things are sweetly linked together in the atonement of Christ.
 
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Spurgeon said: They believe that Christ died to make the salvation of all men possible...
This is not just what "Arminians" believe. This is EXACTLY what is revealed in the Gospel.

So it is very sad that an excellent preacher like Spurgeon was so deluded. As were all those who clung to Reformed Theology. This is all pure delusion, my friend, no matter who believes it or promotes it. And when Calvin was giving his commentaries on certain verses (John 3:16 & 17 included) he also stated what the Bible stayed.
 
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This is not just what "Arminians" believe. This is EXACTLY what is revealed in the Gospel.

So it is very sad that an excellent preacher like Spurgeon was so deluded. As were all those who clung to Reformed Theology. This is all pure delusion, my friend, no matter who believes it or promotes it. And when Calvin was giving his commentaries on certain verses (John 3:16 & 17 included) he also stated what the Bible stayed.
Neh6,

We believe Jesus actually saved every sinner He died for;2pet.39 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Salvation is Actual/ not potential

Why would you suggest that those who believe God actually saves all He intends are deluded???
 
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I do not reckon that to be salvation which regenerates me, and then puts me in such a position that I may fall out of the covenant and be lost; I cannot call that a bridge which only goes half-way over the stream; I cannot call that salvation, which does not carry me all the way to heaven, wash me perfectly clean, and put me among the glorified who sing constant hosannahs around the throne.
The Spurgeon Library | God Alone the Salvation of His People
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The doctrine of Redemption is one of the most important doctrines of the system of faith. A mistake on this point will inevitably lead to a mistake through the entire system of our belief.
Forsake your "system"; that's all it is.
Jesus died for everyone; including Esau, Pharaoh, Judas, and every other bad boy.
 

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This I know. God loves both His election and those to whom He gave free will. Let’s not downplay free will; even Jesus in His perfect election used His own free will:

In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You had no pleasure. Then I said, 'Behold, I have come—In the volume of the book it is written of Me—To do Your will, O God.' " Previously saying, "Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them" (which are offered according to the law), then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." He takes away the first that He may establish the second. By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

- Hebrews 10:6-10
 

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Forsake your "system"; that's all it is.
Jesus died for everyone; including Esau, Pharaoh, Judas, and every other bad boy.
are you saying the Lord Jesus actually made atonement for all their sins? for the sins of everyone who ever lived?

looking for clarification, and thank you.
 

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are you saying the Lord Jesus actually made atonement for all their sins? for the sins of everyone who ever lived?

looking for clarification, and thank you.
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:2 (KJV)
 
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Forsake your "system"; that's all it is.
Jesus died for everyone; including Esau, Pharaoh, Judas, and every other bad boy.
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:2 (KJV)
Did you notice, "the sins of" is in italics? That means it is not in the text, it was added by some translators.
 
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This I know. God loves both His election and those to whom He gave free will. Let’s not downplay free will; even Jesus in His perfect election used His own free will:

In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You had no pleasure. Then I said, 'Behold, I have come—In the volume of the book it is written of Me—To do Your will, O God.' " Previously saying, "Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them" (which are offered according to the law), then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." He takes away the first that He may establish the second. By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

- Hebrews 10:6-10
Hello Selah, This verse is talking about the will of God, not the will of man.
Man has a will, but it is not free. It is bound by his sin nature.
You have no verse or verses saying man has free will.
Free will is a philosophical term that was man made, not a biblical term.
men are called upon to choose things, but they can only choose by their own nature which is bound.
 
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Forsake your "system"; that's all it is.
Jesus died for everyone; including Esau, Pharaoh, Judas, and every other bad boy.
Hello Johnrh,
So... you do not think the death of Jesus saves?

You list these "bad boys" and yet they are not saved.

You claim Jesus died for them?

It did not do anything for them?

It had no effect on them?

They were sinners when they died?

Why did Jesus say this to the religious Jews in Jn.8?

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins:

for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

If the blood of Jesus cleanses , covers and removes all sin, how come they were told this?

Why were their sins not removed?

Take some time and think this out.
 

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Hello Johnrh,
So... you do not think the death of Jesus saves?

You list these "bad boys" and yet they are not saved.

You claim Jesus died for them?

It did not do anything for them?

It had no effect on them?

They were sinners when they died?

Why did Jesus say this to the religious Jews in Jn.8?

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins:

for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

If the blood of Jesus cleanses , covers and removes all sin, how come they were told this?

Why were their sins not removed?

Take some time and think this out.
Jesus' death on the cross, apart from faith, never saved anyone.
 
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Jesus' death on the cross, apart from faith, never saved anyone.
I agree with you in this way. Jesus died on the cross 2000 yrs ago.

He said: IT is finished. It was a completed work, a full atonement. Nothing needed to be added to it.

The Spirit grants saving faith as part of the great salvation we have. Eph2:8-9.

That saving faith is a Divine enablement letting us welcome the cross and King Jesus, His person and work.

That saving faith is not granted to everyone.

He is our Mediator, High Priest, and Surety.

Those who go into second death, do not have these three things.
 
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for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
The answer to "Why were their sins not removed" is right here in your post in this verse, but as usual you are blind to this.

"If ye believe not" applied to all the unbelieving Jews. So without repentance and faith no one is saved. But if ALL would repent and believe. all would be saved. But you deny the marvelous grace of God by limiting salvation to some (which means that the rest are predestined for Hell, which is ludicrous).
 
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The answer to "Why were their sins not removed" is right here in your post in this verse, but as usual you are blind to this.

"If ye believe not" applied to all the unbelieving Jews. So without repentance and faith no one is saved. But if ALL would repent and believe. all would be saved. But you deny the marvelous grace of God by limiting salvation to some (which means that the rest are predestined for Hell, which is ludicrous).
I can agree with what you say here.
The difference is "if all would repent and believe" you say.
The bible says ...they will not...
jn1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
jn5:
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Now my friend, that is what I see. Do you see it?
jn6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
 
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then in Heb 2:10 we are told that the Lord Jesus Christ brings many sons unto glory ... i.e. not every descendant of Adam.
So, you already see it is not everyman, or everyone, so let's read with that in mind


You had a very nice quote from Spurgeon which I totally agree with, I love Spurgeon and His wisdom! But if you do not mind, let 's stay focused on this section; I will bolden the portions of this section that highlight and define the "everyone"

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one:
for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren,
in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.


The words here for "he took on" was used when Peter had been walking on the water, and began to sink, Jesus reached out and Took hold of Him

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Why did I take time to lay this out?Because it defines the objects of Jesus Covenant work on the cross!
You suggested from vs,9 that it was the seed of Adam, but the text itself defines it as the seed of Abraham.
That tells us it was a Covenant death based on the promises made in the Abrahamic Covenant.
Everything bolded in red, cannot be true of the unsaved people who descend from Adam,
In other words they cannot be described as;
the sanctified, brethren many sons, the church, The children which God has given me, the seed of Abraham.
Hope this is helpful!
 
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are you saying the Lord Jesus actually made atonement for all their sins? for the sins of everyone who ever lived?

looking for clarification, and thank you.
You ask the correct question, which is;

WAS the atonement actual, or potential?

Does it actually do what it is supposed to, or only potentially do it?

If we say the lifeguard "saved " the drowning swimmer, and yet we find him dead from drowning laying on the beach, can we say he "saved him"?
 

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I agree with you in this way. Jesus died on the cross 2000 yrs ago.

He said: IT is finished. It was a completed work, a full atonement. Nothing needed to be added to it.

The Spirit grants saving faith as part of the great salvation we have. Eph2:8-9.

That saving faith is a Divine enablement letting us welcome the cross and King Jesus, His person and work.

That saving faith is not granted to everyone.

He is our Mediator, High Priest, and Surety.

Those who go into second death, do not have these three things.
Everyone has faith - it's part of our created make-up. It's the object of that faith that will either save you or damn you.
 

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are you saying the Lord Jesus actually made atonement for all their sins? for the sins of everyone who ever lived?

looking for clarification, and thank you.
“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭
 
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Everyone has faith - it's part of our created make-up. It's the object of that faith that will either save you or damn you.
I agree that the object of saving faith is vital, we must have Jesus, but we see this;2Thess3

3 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:
2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men:
for all men have not faith.

Men have a human trust, as in you trust the pilot of the jet knows how to take off and land the jet, but that is not the supernatural saving gift of faith.