Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

Legalism is making a profound statement as if it has been set in stone.
Like saying women must not wear make-up.
Men must be clean shaven.
Only the elect ultimately obey God's commandments. There is no other way.
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These are tenets that actually are not solid facts.

So here is my post: Answering --> [based off 7 straight posts of someone saying: Only the elect ultimately obey God's commandments]


Where am I saying something not fact while claiming it to be a tenet set in stone?

Jesus died on the cross for the just/elect/saved whose names are written in The book of life.

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In the Hebrew Language Prophecies many times are Commands. Here is Isaiah 53:8
which is a Prophecy of God that was fulfilled as a Command through Caiaphas.

49 But one of them, Caiaphas, who was kohen gadol that year, said to them, “You know nothing!
50 You don’t take into account that it is better for you that one man die for the people rather than for the whole nation to be destroyed.”
51 Now he did not say this by himself; but as the kohen gadol that year, he prophesied that Yeshua would die for the nation.
52 And not for the nation only, but also so that He might gather together into one the scattered children of God.
53 So from that day on, they plotted to kill Him.

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You have just wiped out the whole argument of free will. Not that there was any legitimacy to it in the first place.

But this what you are saying is no better than the Calvinist idea that God ordains evil, and makes men carry it out.

Forces men to evil, fashions them for destruction, and then punishes them forever after for doing what He willed.

This is a specific Prophesy that had to be fulfilled to save the world. Not sure how it affects every other case for Free Will.

But Isaiah 53 says 8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away, and with his generation who did reason? for he was cut off out of the land of the living, for the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due.

It literally is a single case.

Really you failed on every count in your discourse.

The Terror of the Lord will strike down those who misrepresent God's Word.

I will help YOU!


THE SOVEREIGNTY of GOD
The word “sovereign” """is not used""" in any Version of the Bible


It means YOU and OTHERS who make False Doctrines use a WORD not literally found in the BIBLE.

The Ancient Hebrews used a form of the word but not the same meaning as the Reformed use it and 303 times it is known as the LORD GOD.

So stop giving this sovereignty baloney that God Himself NEVER USED!!

Debatable. I think that many know that they are spinning their wheels in vain.
As do many in the other cults.

Calm down, already. You're going to have a stroke.

Neither is Trinity or Incarnation found in scriprture. So you don't believe in these two doctrines? But every single team of original language scholars has inserted the term "Sovereign" (usually in caps) and used as an adjective to mean "superlative in quality", "excellent", "of the the most exalted kind". The NIV alone employs the term in the OT 303 times. From the definitions I just provided, are you going to deny that the concept of "sovereign" is not found in scripture?

But I'm not surprised that you object so vehemently and strenuously against the doctrine of the Sovereignty of God. It's typical of the NR to diminish the high and lofty and exalted status of God and instead assign it to man -- most especially to man's will and his worldly idea of what freedom is. This isn't the first time I've heard this kind of objection. Skeptics, atheists, pantheists, and others also hate the concept. It's amazing how much you NR have in common with the with these kinds of dead people.

Maybe we pray because we love and believe and trust our heavenly Father?

You are making the case that God's foreknowledge and prophecy are as good as a Command because it will happen.

But it is plain God did not command anyone to kill Jesus, though you will not admit this.

Done.

Neither is Calvinism. I wonder will they stop using that.

Calm down, already. You're going to have a stroke.

Neither is Trinity or Incarnation found in scriprture. So you don't believe in these two doctrines? But every single team of original language scholars has inserted the term "Sovereign" (usually in caps) and used as an adjective to mean "superlative in quality", "excellent", "of the the most exalted kind". The NIV alone employs the term in the OT 303 times. From the definitions I just provided, are you going to deny that the concept of "sovereign" is not found in scripture?

But I'm not surprised that you object so vehemently and strenuously against the doctrine of the Sovereignty of God. It's typical of the NR to diminish the high and lofty and exalted status of God and instead assign it to man -- most especially to man's will and his worldly idea of what freedom is. This isn't the first time I've heard this kind of objection. Skeptics, atheists, pantheists, and others also hate the concept. It's amazing how much you NR have in common with the with these kinds of dead people.

Depends. Closet heretics spinning their webs are not part of the Body don't you know.

The Terror of the Lord will strike down those who misrepresent God's Word.

I seriously doubt the Pharisees would have killed Jesus without God Blinding them and Deafening
them so they would turn on Him and fulfilled the Prophecy of Isaiah that commanded His death.

Neither is the phrase the Doctrines of Grace. But to my dying breath I will never stop using that phrase or defending what is, in essence, the heart of the Gospel of Christ. All five doctrines are found in scripture.

I find it very odd that people don't like labels: Don't know if you ever noticed or not, but this world would not be able to function without labels or names. The second thing I find very odd is why so many within the Church seem to despise the gifts God has given to his Church, such as teachers.

Well, that just isn't true. I wish you the best.