Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

He died for all to make all "His property."
Until He died for all?
Unbelievers were Satan's property.


He died for all, to remove the adoptive ownership by Satan to be transferred to Himself,
as to destroy what He owns, those who have chosen for themselves to be defective. Evil unrighteousness.
Other wise? When in the Lord's court? They could blame Satan for what they will be condemned for.


grace and peace .............

My personal favorite is context, context, context. Not that context isn't of course important. My problem is that one's context for a particular passage is always found in the greater context of the particular chapter, which is found in the context of the particular book, which is found in the context of all the writings of a particular writer, which is found in the context of whole of the Bible.
I think sometimes the forest is missed for all the trees.

Yes I have wondered about this, excellent video.
The only thing one can do with people who have these personality disorders is stay away.

There are a few of them at my work as well, (one clinically diagnosed), the behaviour patterns are something to observe.
..."wants admiration and deeply held feelings of inferiority" ... spot on!

Context is extremely important, foundational when reading, understanding and interpreting any and all text.

Context determines meaning. Full stop!

Perfect!

Yeah, this system falls short in a multiplicities of ways, God angry at Himself, God mocking people telling them to believe while all the while knowing they cannot unless He gives them a new heart, or the gift of belief to believe.

Yup.

"Your faith has saved you"
He did not say, the faith I gave you saved you.

Calvinist >> "Jesus did not say that but that is what He meant."

Read the post again. I never said any different. You are so ready to disagree that you disagree with things you agree with.

Romans 11:32
Deuteronomy 30:6~
The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love Him
with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.

You actually did say something different.
My point is context is not "important" as in it adds value, context is the very manner in which anything is read.
It is not one of several factors it is the underpinning of all interpretation.

Context isn't the only consideration to understanding the meaning of scripture. The understanding of language, how God makes use of language, figurative language, and revelation also have to be considered. Try understanding the book of Revelation with context alone.

Before all else?

Know the Context!

Otherwise?



We will have many believers plucking out their right eye otherwise...
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There is an immediate context and several greater contexts. This was the point I was making. The immediate context will always agree with the greater context.
Some seem to think that comparing scripture with scripture isn't context.

Examples?

Examples?

Agreed... Comparing Scripture with Scripture is a must if one wishes to present sound doctrine.
All false teachings isolate from the full council, and spot light what they want you to believe.

In his temptation, Jesus always dragged Satan back by his nose and gave the context for what Satan was wishing to distort.

Those are the examples. Pick a passage. It's in a chapter that is written to a particular audience for a specific purpose. For example, an epistle. The particular passage addresses one aspect of the entire letter's purpose. If the writer of the letter has written other letters, they will also be in agreement with whatever else they have written. And a fuller understanding can be gained from the greater context of all they have written. The same can be done with scripture as a whole.
For a practical example, one might read the book of James and conclude that works must accompany faith for salvation. Understanding that James was largely written to a Jewish audience at the beginning of the intertestimental period would lend understanding to his purpose for writing as he has. Further, comparing what he has written with later writers of this period will lend understanding to his purpose. Still further, understanding its context in all of the Bible and God's plan of redemption and the manner in which God has done so throughout history offers even greater insight into the passage.

Sorry, I thought you were speaking of the thread. Good explanation though.

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If you were more self-aware of your proclivity for long-winded fluff posts, you'd be apologizing instead for causing the possible death of some poor, unsuspecting reader due to acute boredom. But the good news is that your posts have given me an idea that they might well be useful for curing chronic cases of insomnia. I'm thinking of shipping some of your tomes off to John Hopkins or some other medical research facility so doctors can perform controlled lab tests. I might actually get rich off of you.

What follows is my short list that speaks to the conspicuous presence of the Holy Spirit in the OT, and most particularly to the prominent historical role He played in in the lives of God's covenant people. This list is by no means exhaustive but it serves the purpose to prove that the Holy Spirit was most assuredly "with" God's chosen covenant people in the same way he was with Christ's disciples prior to the Cross and Pentecost.

Moreover, it's clear that Jesus considered John the Baptist to be the greatest among the OT prophets. Who else could Jesus have been implicitly comparing him to after the 400+ silent years that extended from Malachi to Christ's first advent (Lk 7:26-28)?

And what's with the inane question you asked about Judas, as though he presented some kind of problem? If you knew your bible, you'd know that the Spirit of the Lord in the OT was not necessarily given as a permanent influence to God's OC people, as He is to His NC people. Since Judas betrayed Christ, became possessed by the devil and hanged himself all prior to the Cross, then the Spirit very likely departed from him to make way for Satan's influence -- following the OT pattern. "Problem" solved! Below is the list.

1. Spirit Breathed Life into Adam (Gen 2:7)

2. The Spirit Departed from Adam (logically inferred) on the day he sinned and died spiritually (Gen 2:17)

3. The Spirit was recognized and acknowledged by men (Gen 41:38)

4. The Spirit Strove with Sinners (Gen 6:3)

5. The Spirit Gave Special Ability to Select Individuals (Ex 31:1-3; 35:30-31)

6. The Spirit Came Upon Israel's 70 Elders (Num 11:25-29)

7. The Spirit Gave Extraordinary Powers to God's Leaders, Prophets and Judges (Josha, cp Num 27:18; Othniel, Judg 3:9-10; Gideon, Jud 6:34; Jephthah, Jud 11:29; Samson, Jud 14:5-6; Saul, 1Sam 10:9-13)

8. The Spirit Departed from Disobedient Saul (1Sam 16:14)

9. The Spirit Departed from Unfaithful Samson (Jud 16:20)

10. The Spirit Protected David from king Saul (1Sam 19:20-21)

11. The Spirit Inspired King David (2Sam 23:2)

12. The Spirit Came Upon David's Mighty Men (1Chron 12:18)

13. The (S)pirit of Elijah was given to his Successor Elisha (2Ki 2:9-15).

14. King David Prayed that the Spirit not be Taken from Him (Ps 51:11)

15. The Spirit Guided the Prophets (Ezek 2:2)

16. The Spirit Inspired Holiness (Ps 143:10)

17. The Spirit Instructed God's Covenant People (Neh 9:20)

18. As Water is Poured out on Thirsty Ground, so God Poured his Spirit out on Israel's Offspring (Isa 44:1-3).

19. The Spirit was Grieved by God's Covenant people (Isa 63:10)

20. The Spirit Guided His Covenant People Into the Promised Land (Isa 63:11-14)

21. The Spirit was Among the Post-Babylonian Exiles who Rebuilt the Temple (Hag 2:3-5)

22. The Spirit Came Upon Zechariah (2Chron24:20)

23. The Lord Promised Zerubbabel Victory Over His Enemies by His Spirit (Zech 4:6)

24. The Spirit was "WITH" John the Baptist in a Very Special Way even Before Birth (Lk 1:15)

25. John the Baptist also had Elihah's "(S)pirit and Power" (Lk 1:17)

26. The Spirit, too, was "WITH" Elizabeth (Lk 1:41)

27. The Spirit Lived With Christ's Disciples (Jn 14:17)

Now that you think you have mastered Koine Greek, I would suggest that you make becoming acquainted with the bible your next mission in life. No reasonable person can deduce from the OT that the Holy Spirit didn't play a very significant role in the lives of God's covenant people -- being "with" them every step of the way right up to the Cross and Pentecost.