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And yet again offensive. And just a flat out lie and terrorist propaganda. What the Nazi's did, they did with intent, hate, the purpose was to wipe out the Jewish race. In fact that is a sickening comment.
Says the anti- Zionist propaganda. But he got an awful warm welcome in America, and got more standing Os than any other foreign leader. Let's see what happens when the lying propaganda is shut down and facts come out.
Sure you were, whoever stands with Israel, you've said here enough. No, terrorist propaganda doesn't bother me.
If someone is deliberately murdering a person, that would be wrong. But if it happens because of being a causality of war, that's sad, but you started the war, you're the one to blame. But Israel has gone beyond what any country who was attacked would do, they tell people they are coming and give them time to leave. They don't want the women and children, they want Hamas and it's supporters. The facts will prove this when the dust clears.
Says the anti- Zionist propaganda. But he got an awful warm welcome in America, and got more standing Os than any other foreign leader. Let's see what happens when the lying propaganda is shut down and facts come out.
Sure you were, whoever stands with Israel, you've said here enough. No, terrorist propaganda doesn't bother me.
If someone is deliberately murdering a person, that would be wrong. But if it happens because of being a causality of war, that's sad, but you started the war, you're the one to blame. But Israel has gone beyond what any country who was attacked would do, they tell people they are coming and give them time to leave. They don't want the women and children, they want Hamas and it's supporters. The facts will prove this when the dust clears.
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You know the Nazis didn't admit this until after they were interrogated, right? Perhaps after the alleged Israeli war criminals are subjected to the same interrogation techniques, they likewise will confess that what they did was done with intent, hatred, and with the purpose of wiping out the Palestinian people? I find it sickening that you seem to have double-standards just because some wannabe Pharisees-in-fancy-dress claim to be Jews. God's standard (i.e. justice) is that the same rule applies for all.
Anti-Rothschild-Zionist propaganda. Remember, the claim is that these aren't real Zionists or even real Jews, rather those claiming to be Jews who are not. Pretty much as Jesus described them in Revelation, actually.
My comment about the Christians who have sided with the war criminals is that they will remain silent and not even admit they were wrong, and, irrespective of whether they admit their error or not, it will be used as further ammunition against the Church, simply because Christians too often do not listen to Jesus' teaching, but rather to war-drums beat and deceptions preached by men. In your case and to your credit, I remember you confessing you had been wrong about the covid Communist setup, so you personally may not fit this mold. But the damage is being done now - by the time apologies are due and even now, too many people have already died for lies.
The people dying are not the people who started the war. This is what you are missing. Had the terrorist attacks been investigated properly, there would have been no war necessary, and war criminal Netanyahu and his henchman could have been brought to trial and punished, and the matter ended. Similar to the September 11 2001 attacks - had these been properly investigated, it would have been George Bush and his henchman brought to trial and the matter ended, and thousands of American lives and millions of Iraqi and Afghani lives could have been saved. War is never the answer to terrorism. A thorough investigation (follow the money) and suitable punishment is - not just for the soldiers who committed the attrocities, but the financiers, bankers and secret service agents who plotted or allowed it.
Anti-Rothschild-Zionist propaganda. Remember, the claim is that these aren't real Zionists or even real Jews, rather those claiming to be Jews who are not. Pretty much as Jesus described them in Revelation, actually.
My comment about the Christians who have sided with the war criminals is that they will remain silent and not even admit they were wrong, and, irrespective of whether they admit their error or not, it will be used as further ammunition against the Church, simply because Christians too often do not listen to Jesus' teaching, but rather to war-drums beat and deceptions preached by men. In your case and to your credit, I remember you confessing you had been wrong about the covid Communist setup, so you personally may not fit this mold. But the damage is being done now - by the time apologies are due and even now, too many people have already died for lies.
The people dying are not the people who started the war. This is what you are missing. Had the terrorist attacks been investigated properly, there would have been no war necessary, and war criminal Netanyahu and his henchman could have been brought to trial and punished, and the matter ended. Similar to the September 11 2001 attacks - had these been properly investigated, it would have been George Bush and his henchman brought to trial and the matter ended, and thousands of American lives and millions of Iraqi and Afghani lives could have been saved. War is never the answer to terrorism. A thorough investigation (follow the money) and suitable punishment is - not just for the soldiers who committed the attrocities, but the financiers, bankers and secret service agents who plotted or allowed it.
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If one thinks a group of people as special (above others), it won't matter, because what I have seen from this thread "the end justifies the means."
We are here, on the edge of widespread war, because some people back in the 1800's decided they could hasten the return of the Messiah and with power and money much can be done.... but I tell you one thing God does not fulfill man's eschatology.
How many have died in this pursuit over the centuries (including 9/11) to a Christian this is abhorrent.
We are here, on the edge of widespread war, because some people back in the 1800's decided they could hasten the return of the Messiah and with power and money much can be done.... but I tell you one thing God does not fulfill man's eschatology.
How many have died in this pursuit over the centuries (including 9/11) to a Christian this is abhorrent.
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The following are excerpts of Israeli soldier testimonies from, I’m bored, so I shoot’: The Israeli army’s approval of free-for-all violence in Gaza" from +972 Magazine, an independent, online, nonprofit magazine run by a group of Palestinian and Israeli journalists.
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Israeli soldiers describe the near-total absence of firing regulations in the Gaza war, with troops shooting as they please, setting homes ablaze, and leaving corpses on the streets — all with their commanders’ permission.
Two of the soldiers also testified to a systematic policy of setting Palestinian homes on fire after occupying them.
There was total freedom of action...It’s permissible to shoot everyone, a young girl, an old woman.
When there are no [other] IDF forces [in the area] … the shooting is very unrestricted, like crazy. And not just small arms: machine guns, tanks, and mortars.
[one anonymous soldier] noted, unrestricted shooting meant that soldiers are often exposed to the huge risk of friendly fire — which he described as “more dangerous than Hamas.” “On multiple occasions, IDF forces fired in our direction.
They told me about a practice of blowing up tunnels, and I thought to myself that if there were hostages [in them], it would kill them.
“I’ve heard statements [from other soldiers] that the hostages are dead, they don’t stand a chance, they have to be abandoned,” Green noted. “[This] bothered me the most … that they kept saying, ‘We’re here for the hostages,’ but it is clear that the war harms the hostages. That was my thought then; today it turned out to be true.”
"The feeling in the war room, and this is a softened version, was that every person we killed, we counted him as a terrorist,” he testified.
To justify abandoning the distinction between civilians and combatants, people would resort to such statements as “‘They handed out sweets,’ ‘They danced after October 7,’ or ‘They elected Hamas’ … Not everyone, but also quite a few, thought that today’s child [is] tomorrow’s terrorist.
it felt like a computer game. Only after two weeks did I realize that these are [actual] buildings that are falling: if there are inhabitants [inside], then [the buildings are collapsing] on their heads, and even if not, then with everything inside them.”
When soldiers occupied homes, he testified, the policy was “if you move, you have to burn down the house.” Yet for Green, this made no sense: in “no scenario” could the middle of the refugee camp be part of any Israeli security zone that might justify such destruction. “We are in these houses not because they belong to Hamas operatives, but because they serve us operationally,” he noted. “It is a house of two or three families — to destroy it means they will be homeless.
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It's a powerful read for anyone interested in what's happening, which confirms all the war crimes.
"You will know them by the fruit they bear."
"My sheep hear my voice they know me and follow me."
Seven things that God hates:
- Haughty eyes: (Pride)
- A lying tongue
- Hands that shed innocent blood
- A heart that devises wicked schemes
- Feet that are swift in running to mischief
- A false witness who utters lies
- One who spreads strife among brothers
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Israeli soldiers describe the near-total absence of firing regulations in the Gaza war, with troops shooting as they please, setting homes ablaze, and leaving corpses on the streets — all with their commanders’ permission.
Two of the soldiers also testified to a systematic policy of setting Palestinian homes on fire after occupying them.
There was total freedom of action...It’s permissible to shoot everyone, a young girl, an old woman.
When there are no [other] IDF forces [in the area] … the shooting is very unrestricted, like crazy. And not just small arms: machine guns, tanks, and mortars.
[one anonymous soldier] noted, unrestricted shooting meant that soldiers are often exposed to the huge risk of friendly fire — which he described as “more dangerous than Hamas.” “On multiple occasions, IDF forces fired in our direction.
They told me about a practice of blowing up tunnels, and I thought to myself that if there were hostages [in them], it would kill them.
“I’ve heard statements [from other soldiers] that the hostages are dead, they don’t stand a chance, they have to be abandoned,” Green noted. “[This] bothered me the most … that they kept saying, ‘We’re here for the hostages,’ but it is clear that the war harms the hostages. That was my thought then; today it turned out to be true.”
"The feeling in the war room, and this is a softened version, was that every person we killed, we counted him as a terrorist,” he testified.
To justify abandoning the distinction between civilians and combatants, people would resort to such statements as “‘They handed out sweets,’ ‘They danced after October 7,’ or ‘They elected Hamas’ … Not everyone, but also quite a few, thought that today’s child [is] tomorrow’s terrorist.
it felt like a computer game. Only after two weeks did I realize that these are [actual] buildings that are falling: if there are inhabitants [inside], then [the buildings are collapsing] on their heads, and even if not, then with everything inside them.”
When soldiers occupied homes, he testified, the policy was “if you move, you have to burn down the house.” Yet for Green, this made no sense: in “no scenario” could the middle of the refugee camp be part of any Israeli security zone that might justify such destruction. “We are in these houses not because they belong to Hamas operatives, but because they serve us operationally,” he noted. “It is a house of two or three families — to destroy it means they will be homeless.
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It's a powerful read for anyone interested in what's happening, which confirms all the war crimes.
"You will know them by the fruit they bear."
"My sheep hear my voice they know me and follow me."
Seven things that God hates:
- Haughty eyes: (Pride)
- A lying tongue
- Hands that shed innocent blood
- A heart that devises wicked schemes
- Feet that are swift in running to mischief
- A false witness who utters lies
- One who spreads strife among brothers
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I read through the article, so troubling but not I was not shocked.
The most moral army in the world which does not conduct indiscriminate bombing.
What is so troubling having followed this through all the various administrations the leader of this country, charged with war crimes was allowed to address Congress and received a standing ovation.
Can we add God hates war mongers/bankers wars to the list.
The most moral army in the world which does not conduct indiscriminate bombing.
What is so troubling having followed this through all the various administrations the leader of this country, charged with war crimes was allowed to address Congress and received a standing ovation.
Can we add God hates war mongers/bankers wars to the list.
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No it does not. Hitler found them Jew enough to be guilty of Christs death on the cross and murdered over 6 million of them for it. They wore the yellow star, they were Jews. Now you want to tell me they're not Jewy enough to have a homeland of their own and be allowed to defend it. smh
What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? I don't care if you're a pink polka dot elephant.
I'm sorry, maybe you're an ostrich instead of an elephant. Where have you been? That is exactly what the Palestinians did on Oct 6th to Israel. You've got the story bassackwards. How is it possible that you don't know that Jews were the victims?!
Oh, no, I don't think you're ready for my thoughts.
They have been proven who have been doing these things? Proven by whom?
What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? I don't care if you're a pink polka dot elephant.
I'm sorry, maybe you're an ostrich instead of an elephant. Where have you been? That is exactly what the Palestinians did on Oct 6th to Israel. You've got the story bassackwards. How is it possible that you don't know that Jews were the victims?!
Oh, no, I don't think you're ready for my thoughts.
They have been proven who have been doing these things? Proven by whom?
Yes, that's what I'm telling you. And actually, Hitler found them not "Jewy enough". Hitler referred to them as the "B" word (b***ards, the traditional definition, not the modern derogatory one).
Because I've given you about as much proof that I'm a Jew as the people you believe are Jews have. A Claim.
Chances are you were born into the world after the State of Israel already existed; told by Christian leadership (pastors, preachers, evangelists, televangelists, etc.) that they in particular are the chosen people because of the Holocaust and a badge and Hollywood movies. And you accepted what you were told because "why not?". We all did. You may have even been told (like some of us were) that we are partly or fully Jewish by ethnic heritage. So what reason would someone have to question the narrative?
...except, it doesn't fit scripture. We are not to fit scripture to what we see. We are to fit what we see to the immutable scriptures. If what we see doesn't fit scripture, what we're seeing is deception because scripture is truth. For example, many people are trying to fit Ezekiel 38-39 (Gog/Magog) with recent events...but they have to ignore all the details and context of those chapters to do so.
Jeremiah 16:19
O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.
^ There will be many believers who will come to The Messiah saying this, including that they were told they were Jews. It won't change that they're grafted in, just reveal that they were Gentiles all along.
1) Remember that a spiritual war has raged since The Messiah ascended to heaven in the first century (Acts 1:9 = Rev 12:5-8). There was no longer a place in heaven for satan, and since his fall he has had great wrath against the people from whom Messiah came (Rev 12:9) and has deceived the whole world to execute his plan to "destroy" them as a people.
2) satan's fall coincided with the time of punishment prophesied to come upon The Almighty's people for participating in Messiah's death. The Lamb's wrath is to loose satan on the people because satan is a vessel of dishonor used as an instrument of judgment/prosecution (Zechariah 3:1-2). "Behold your house is left unto you desolate." "These are the days of vengeance that all that was written [in the OT prophesying their great punishment/tribulation] may be fulfilled." (Matt 23:38; Luke 21:22-23)
3) Their Great Punishment for rejecting Messiah included (but is not limited to...):
- They would no longer remember who they are as "Israel"; cut off from their heritage (Psalm 83:4)
- Many would be killed (Luke 21:24)
- They would be very poor, never finding financial success (Deut 28:18,24,31; Romans 11:11-12)
- Gentiles around them would grow very rich by comparison (Deut 28:43; Romans 11:11-12)
- Many would be scattered across the world into all nations (Deut 28:64; Daniel 12:7; Luke 21:24)
- Many would worship false gods of wood and stone (Deut 28:64)...btw, Islam's Kaaba Stone is surrounded by wood in Mecca
- These curses would chase them continually as a mark on them (Deut 28:45)
- These curses would not be reversed until they began to obey the commandments in the lands they were scattered (Deut 30:1-3)
- ...And only then would be redeemed by The Messiah at His coming (Matt 23:39) and returned to the land.
4) satan counterfeits everything that The Almighty makes. If the Almighty has a chosen people. satan has a chosen people. The Almighty has Christ. satan has an Antichrist. There's a body of Christ. There's a synagogue of satan. Messiah tells us there would be a people in the end times who'd blasphemously claim to be Jews but who are liars, and that the true Jews actually would be poor during the same timeframe (Rev 2:9 & 3:9). Are we in the end times? Many would say we are. Interestingly, we have people today claiming to be Jews, who:
- Claim to have never forgotten their heritage, tracing an unbroken history back to Israel (x)
- Claim millions of them were killed in the holocaust (Let's accept this just to avoid a can of worms)
- Are very rich, not poor compared to other individuals around them and other nations; very successful financially (x)
- The "Gentiles" around them are very poor by comparison (x)
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Aside: Multiple nations would enact edicts to expel this group from their territory after locals began suffering poverty from usury and unfair banking/financial practices employed under Talmudism, which is a practice against biblical law (Ex 22:25; John 2:14-16; Matt 21:12-13).
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- Claim to be scattered across the world (ok...)
- Claim to have always worshipped the God of Abraham since diaspora (x)
- Claim they are blessed by god to return to the land, thus are no longer marked by curses (x)
- Have settled into the land predominantly as atheists/secularists/LGBT, so without obeying The Commandments (x)
- Have Orthodox Jews that don't accept The Messiah; still waiting for their messiah to arrive (x)
Only 2 out of 9 points are satisfied. Each X contradicts scripture. But if satan deceives the world into believing another group is the chosen people, those who actually are will never seek to find out.
Are you sure you're not just projecting now, with your face in the sand?
On September 27, 2023, thousands of peaceful protestors in Gaza demonstrating the injustice of occupation and blockade were fired upon by the Israeli army. Here's an article from the Guardian. Many were directly targeted in the ankles by snipers regardless of age or gender. This means kids were maimed for life because ankles are load-bearing joints.
Hamas retaliated on October 7th.
And regarding October 7th, Haaretz reports that, in fact, it was Israeli soldiers who killed the majority of the Jewish victims on the day because they were following the Hannibal Directive. Black Hawk choppers opened fire on all fleeing vehicles to prevent any Israelis from becoming hostages.
IDF Ordered Hannibal Directive on October 7 to Prevent Hamas Taking Soldiers Captive
"'There was crazy hysteria, and decisions started being made without verified information': Documents and testimonies obtained by Haaretz reveal the Hannibal operational order, which directs the use of force to prevent soldiers being taken into captivity, was employed at three army facilities infiltrated by Hamas, potentially endangering civilians as well"
Question 1: Do you denounce the September 2023 attack on the innocent Palestinians by the Israeli soldiers?
Question 2: Do you denounce the October 7th attack on innocent Jewish people by the Israeli soldiers following the Hannibal Directive?
I am. satan deceives this whole world. All the kingdoms of this world are his, which was never disputed by Messiah during His ministry (Matt 4:8-9; Rev 11:15), which includes this modern state of Israel. We are waiting for The Messiah's kingdom to come and His will to be done, which is why we are meant to pray for it daily.
The International community. The UN. Israeli & Palestinian Journalists. Soldiers' own testimonies. Images. Video. Audio.
Because I've given you about as much proof that I'm a Jew as the people you believe are Jews have. A Claim.
Chances are you were born into the world after the State of Israel already existed; told by Christian leadership (pastors, preachers, evangelists, televangelists, etc.) that they in particular are the chosen people because of the Holocaust and a badge and Hollywood movies. And you accepted what you were told because "why not?". We all did. You may have even been told (like some of us were) that we are partly or fully Jewish by ethnic heritage. So what reason would someone have to question the narrative?
...except, it doesn't fit scripture. We are not to fit scripture to what we see. We are to fit what we see to the immutable scriptures. If what we see doesn't fit scripture, what we're seeing is deception because scripture is truth. For example, many people are trying to fit Ezekiel 38-39 (Gog/Magog) with recent events...but they have to ignore all the details and context of those chapters to do so.
Jeremiah 16:19
O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.
^ There will be many believers who will come to The Messiah saying this, including that they were told they were Jews. It won't change that they're grafted in, just reveal that they were Gentiles all along.
1) Remember that a spiritual war has raged since The Messiah ascended to heaven in the first century (Acts 1:9 = Rev 12:5-8). There was no longer a place in heaven for satan, and since his fall he has had great wrath against the people from whom Messiah came (Rev 12:9) and has deceived the whole world to execute his plan to "destroy" them as a people.
2) satan's fall coincided with the time of punishment prophesied to come upon The Almighty's people for participating in Messiah's death. The Lamb's wrath is to loose satan on the people because satan is a vessel of dishonor used as an instrument of judgment/prosecution (Zechariah 3:1-2). "Behold your house is left unto you desolate." "These are the days of vengeance that all that was written [in the OT prophesying their great punishment/tribulation] may be fulfilled." (Matt 23:38; Luke 21:22-23)
3) Their Great Punishment for rejecting Messiah included (but is not limited to...):
- They would no longer remember who they are as "Israel"; cut off from their heritage (Psalm 83:4)
- Many would be killed (Luke 21:24)
- They would be very poor, never finding financial success (Deut 28:18,24,31; Romans 11:11-12)
- Gentiles around them would grow very rich by comparison (Deut 28:43; Romans 11:11-12)
- Many would be scattered across the world into all nations (Deut 28:64; Daniel 12:7; Luke 21:24)
- Many would worship false gods of wood and stone (Deut 28:64)...btw, Islam's Kaaba Stone is surrounded by wood in Mecca
- These curses would chase them continually as a mark on them (Deut 28:45)
- These curses would not be reversed until they began to obey the commandments in the lands they were scattered (Deut 30:1-3)
- ...And only then would be redeemed by The Messiah at His coming (Matt 23:39) and returned to the land.
4) satan counterfeits everything that The Almighty makes. If the Almighty has a chosen people. satan has a chosen people. The Almighty has Christ. satan has an Antichrist. There's a body of Christ. There's a synagogue of satan. Messiah tells us there would be a people in the end times who'd blasphemously claim to be Jews but who are liars, and that the true Jews actually would be poor during the same timeframe (Rev 2:9 & 3:9). Are we in the end times? Many would say we are. Interestingly, we have people today claiming to be Jews, who:
- Claim to have never forgotten their heritage, tracing an unbroken history back to Israel (x)
- Claim millions of them were killed in the holocaust (Let's accept this just to avoid a can of worms)
- Are very rich, not poor compared to other individuals around them and other nations; very successful financially (x)
- The "Gentiles" around them are very poor by comparison (x)
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Aside: Multiple nations would enact edicts to expel this group from their territory after locals began suffering poverty from usury and unfair banking/financial practices employed under Talmudism, which is a practice against biblical law (Ex 22:25; John 2:14-16; Matt 21:12-13).
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- Claim to be scattered across the world (ok...)
- Claim to have always worshipped the God of Abraham since diaspora (x)
- Claim they are blessed by god to return to the land, thus are no longer marked by curses (x)
- Have settled into the land predominantly as atheists/secularists/LGBT, so without obeying The Commandments (x)
- Have Orthodox Jews that don't accept The Messiah; still waiting for their messiah to arrive (x)
Only 2 out of 9 points are satisfied. Each X contradicts scripture. But if satan deceives the world into believing another group is the chosen people, those who actually are will never seek to find out.
Are you sure you're not just projecting now, with your face in the sand?
On September 27, 2023, thousands of peaceful protestors in Gaza demonstrating the injustice of occupation and blockade were fired upon by the Israeli army. Here's an article from the Guardian. Many were directly targeted in the ankles by snipers regardless of age or gender. This means kids were maimed for life because ankles are load-bearing joints.
Hamas retaliated on October 7th.
And regarding October 7th, Haaretz reports that, in fact, it was Israeli soldiers who killed the majority of the Jewish victims on the day because they were following the Hannibal Directive. Black Hawk choppers opened fire on all fleeing vehicles to prevent any Israelis from becoming hostages.
IDF Ordered Hannibal Directive on October 7 to Prevent Hamas Taking Soldiers Captive
"'There was crazy hysteria, and decisions started being made without verified information': Documents and testimonies obtained by Haaretz reveal the Hannibal operational order, which directs the use of force to prevent soldiers being taken into captivity, was employed at three army facilities infiltrated by Hamas, potentially endangering civilians as well"
Question 1: Do you denounce the September 2023 attack on the innocent Palestinians by the Israeli soldiers?
Question 2: Do you denounce the October 7th attack on innocent Jewish people by the Israeli soldiers following the Hannibal Directive?
I am. satan deceives this whole world. All the kingdoms of this world are his, which was never disputed by Messiah during His ministry (Matt 4:8-9; Rev 11:15), which includes this modern state of Israel. We are waiting for The Messiah's kingdom to come and His will to be done, which is why we are meant to pray for it daily.
The International community. The UN. Israeli & Palestinian Journalists. Soldiers' own testimonies. Images. Video. Audio.
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Hitler was in the occult. Many people who have been saved from the occult testify that they intentionally target God's people including Jews and Christians and pastors. However, if you are living a sanctified life, under the blood, in the word of God and filled with the Spirit Satan, the occult and those into witchcraft cannot touch you. In fact that is what caused many of them to turn to the Lord to find out why these ones had power greater than the power they had.
Simply claiming that you are descended from Abraham according to the flesh is not enough to protect you. Being absolute for the Lord Jesus is critical and then if you are you would cut every tie between you and the occult.
For example: the vast majority of rock albums are involved in witchcraft. You would need to sweep your house clean of anything like that. All those things associated with a Christmas tree like the ornaments, the star, etc are associated with idolatry, you would have to sweep your house clean of all that. If you have an addiction, that is the spirit of bondage and you would have to be freed from that bondage so that that spirit has no power over you.
Simply claiming that you are descended from Abraham according to the flesh is not enough to protect you. Being absolute for the Lord Jesus is critical and then if you are you would cut every tie between you and the occult.
For example: the vast majority of rock albums are involved in witchcraft. You would need to sweep your house clean of anything like that. All those things associated with a Christmas tree like the ornaments, the star, etc are associated with idolatry, you would have to sweep your house clean of all that. If you have an addiction, that is the spirit of bondage and you would have to be freed from that bondage so that that spirit has no power over you.
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I can agree with this. It mirrors what Paul explained in Romans chapter 2 before writing what he did in Romans 11. And that is exactly how the promises of Abraham are fulfilled: The Almighty isn't going to fulfill His promises to unbelieving Jews (including returning to the land) merely because of their ethnic status. He will fulfill His promises only for those Jews who also have a new heart for Him, not beforehand (Deut 30:1-3; Matt 23:39). So the conclusion is those in the land are not they.
We fit what we see to scripture, we do not fit scripture to what we see.
We fit what we see to scripture, we do not fit scripture to what we see.
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You realy claim that the Islam and the Jews praise the same God?
You mean satan?
Of course still Israel is blind for the Messajah Jesus Christ. But still they are Gods choosen Nation. This has not changed. The Islam is foundet from satan, so you cant compare.
As you cant compare Israel with Nazi Germany.
Its interesting that you judge Israel from your security place.
You dont stay in a country and in a nation which is sourroundet by enemys which goal it is to eleminate them.
In the mid 80's i stayed as Volonteer in an kibuzz in north Israel, near the border of Libanon. Today this kibuzz and the most people from the north part had to be evacuated since oct. 7th 23 in other parts of Israel. Israel has no choice then to fight or to be life long the target of the people who want eliminate them. ( btw every nation would do the same in their situation)
Finaly this will turn that Israel accept Jesus Christ as their messajah. ( a part of Israel)
You mean satan?
Of course still Israel is blind for the Messajah Jesus Christ. But still they are Gods choosen Nation. This has not changed. The Islam is foundet from satan, so you cant compare.
As you cant compare Israel with Nazi Germany.
Its interesting that you judge Israel from your security place.
You dont stay in a country and in a nation which is sourroundet by enemys which goal it is to eleminate them.
In the mid 80's i stayed as Volonteer in an kibuzz in north Israel, near the border of Libanon. Today this kibuzz and the most people from the north part had to be evacuated since oct. 7th 23 in other parts of Israel. Israel has no choice then to fight or to be life long the target of the people who want eliminate them. ( btw every nation would do the same in their situation)
Finaly this will turn that Israel accept Jesus Christ as their messajah. ( a part of Israel)
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Yes. I think it's easy to see that the Islamists worship Satan - "the great deceiver". But just refer to the gospels for Jesus' words for those who really were Jews - by birth and tradition - who didn't accept Him. How much more do these words apply to those who claim to be Jews, but are not, and who blaspheme Him?
We - Christians - are God's chosen nation.
1 Peter 2: 9 - 10
"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy."
I just did. It is guilty of the same crimes.
It's interesting you didn't judge Nazi Germany from Berlin while World War 2 was going on. I guess you can't help being born too late and in a different country? The same might apply to other people.
I think you have your eschatology mixed up, but no one is arguing against the right to self defence. What is being argued is that self defence doesn't include going street by street and murdering all of one's neighbours, just in case they were terrorists. That's a war crime (or many).
If Israel was interested in justice, it would have investigated the attacks first, and held to account those who authorised the stand down which allowed the attacks to occur. But same as (George Bush and Co. promoted the attacks on) 9/11, the purpose of (Israel) allowing/promoting the terrorist attacks was to justify a war, and had nothing to do with protecting people.
We - Christians - are God's chosen nation.
1 Peter 2: 9 - 10
"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy."
I just did. It is guilty of the same crimes.
It's interesting you didn't judge Nazi Germany from Berlin while World War 2 was going on. I guess you can't help being born too late and in a different country? The same might apply to other people.
I think you have your eschatology mixed up, but no one is arguing against the right to self defence. What is being argued is that self defence doesn't include going street by street and murdering all of one's neighbours, just in case they were terrorists. That's a war crime (or many).
If Israel was interested in justice, it would have investigated the attacks first, and held to account those who authorised the stand down which allowed the attacks to occur. But same as (George Bush and Co. promoted the attacks on) 9/11, the purpose of (Israel) allowing/promoting the terrorist attacks was to justify a war, and had nothing to do with protecting people.
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You seems for me to be an Dreamer. Ivestigate? The UN moved no Single Finger to investigate what happend at oct. 7th. Their helporganisation Was involved in this crime. The people in Gaza were celebrating that Hamas and other Terror Organisations killed more then 1200 peaceful people in their homes.
So what the government of Israel had to should do? Keeping peaceful and smiling?
You simply ignore that the interest of the Iran and his proxys is to destroy Israel.
If you claimes that Hitlers crime and Israels government crime is the same, then you living beyond the reality.
You cant tell me that if you would be in the position of the leader of Israel, that you would accept the crime of Hamas.
And even Israel is not open for the Messajah Jesus Christ yet. It is still Gods choosen Nation. You agree with or not.
Fight against Gods choosen Nation so you will fight against God.
Paul was the meaning that he served God when he hunted the Christians, till Jesus spoke to Him.
However one day all nations will fight against Israel. On which side you are then?
So what the government of Israel had to should do? Keeping peaceful and smiling?
You simply ignore that the interest of the Iran and his proxys is to destroy Israel.
If you claimes that Hitlers crime and Israels government crime is the same, then you living beyond the reality.
You cant tell me that if you would be in the position of the leader of Israel, that you would accept the crime of Hamas.
And even Israel is not open for the Messajah Jesus Christ yet. It is still Gods choosen Nation. You agree with or not.
Fight against Gods choosen Nation so you will fight against God.
Paul was the meaning that he served God when he hunted the Christians, till Jesus spoke to Him.
However one day all nations will fight against Israel. On which side you are then?
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There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about Israeli Jews, Israel, and God's promises to Abraham. So just to set the record straight:
1. The majority of Jews in Israel cannot claim direct descent from Abraham, since they have come from Europe, Russia, and Central Asia. But because they converted to Judaism, they are seen as Jews, and many would be from the ten lost tribes. Judaism rejects the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah, but quite a few of these Jews are being converted.
2. The nation state of Israel was founded as a secular Zionist state, and the leaders rejected Messiah, but wanted a homeland for the Jews. The establishment of this Israel in 1948 was a part of God's plan, since Jerusalem in in Israel, and Jerusalem is the key to Bible prophecy. Christ will return to Jerusalem at His second coming.
3. Zionist Israel had every right to find a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The land of Palestine (formerly Canaan) belonged to Israel since the time of Abraham, and the Arabs which settled there were in fact intruders. But because Palestine was under foreign rule for a long time, Arabs settled there while the Jews were all in other parts of the world.
4. When Israel was established, the entire Muslim and Arab world rose up in arms to drive out the Jews. But in spite of that, they were never driven out, and because God's hand was over Israel (in spite of their unbelief) Israel actually dominated Palestine and flourished. At the same time Israel did not drive out all the Palestinian Arabs. They did not need to drive them out, but could have insisted that they be relocated to thier onw homeland (possibly in Saudi Arabia). But none of the other Muslim and Arab countries wanted them either.
5. Instead of choosing to live peacefully with Jews, the Muslim Arabs never stopped hating Israel and the Jews. And their leaders were focused on war at all times, So every time there was a peace deal, they rejected it.
6. When we come to October 7. the Israeli government and leadership is as much to blame as the terrorists. Given the history of this region since 1948, Israel should always have been on high alert. That was usually the case until the period before Oct 7. For some strange reason they let down their guard and paid a heavy price. And now Iran was involved with this unprovoked attack.
7. Suddenly they woke up and decided to exterminate the terrorists in Gaza. But instead of a swift and heavy response, they dithered around for 10 months so now the matter is not over. Biden and Blinken should have been ignored and that did not happen.
8. There was no way that the sadistic terrorists would spare their hostages, so going over and over hostage deals was plainly foolish. The terrorists should have been told within 24-48 hours to either release all hostages unharmed or see Gaza wiped off the map. This was warfare, and that is how wars have been conducted.
1. The majority of Jews in Israel cannot claim direct descent from Abraham, since they have come from Europe, Russia, and Central Asia. But because they converted to Judaism, they are seen as Jews, and many would be from the ten lost tribes. Judaism rejects the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah, but quite a few of these Jews are being converted.
2. The nation state of Israel was founded as a secular Zionist state, and the leaders rejected Messiah, but wanted a homeland for the Jews. The establishment of this Israel in 1948 was a part of God's plan, since Jerusalem in in Israel, and Jerusalem is the key to Bible prophecy. Christ will return to Jerusalem at His second coming.
3. Zionist Israel had every right to find a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The land of Palestine (formerly Canaan) belonged to Israel since the time of Abraham, and the Arabs which settled there were in fact intruders. But because Palestine was under foreign rule for a long time, Arabs settled there while the Jews were all in other parts of the world.
4. When Israel was established, the entire Muslim and Arab world rose up in arms to drive out the Jews. But in spite of that, they were never driven out, and because God's hand was over Israel (in spite of their unbelief) Israel actually dominated Palestine and flourished. At the same time Israel did not drive out all the Palestinian Arabs. They did not need to drive them out, but could have insisted that they be relocated to thier onw homeland (possibly in Saudi Arabia). But none of the other Muslim and Arab countries wanted them either.
5. Instead of choosing to live peacefully with Jews, the Muslim Arabs never stopped hating Israel and the Jews. And their leaders were focused on war at all times, So every time there was a peace deal, they rejected it.
6. When we come to October 7. the Israeli government and leadership is as much to blame as the terrorists. Given the history of this region since 1948, Israel should always have been on high alert. That was usually the case until the period before Oct 7. For some strange reason they let down their guard and paid a heavy price. And now Iran was involved with this unprovoked attack.
7. Suddenly they woke up and decided to exterminate the terrorists in Gaza. But instead of a swift and heavy response, they dithered around for 10 months so now the matter is not over. Biden and Blinken should have been ignored and that did not happen.
8. There was no way that the sadistic terrorists would spare their hostages, so going over and over hostage deals was plainly foolish. The terrorists should have been told within 24-48 hours to either release all hostages unharmed or see Gaza wiped off the map. This was warfare, and that is how wars have been conducted.
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Yes, just like when Israel came out of Egypt the first time, it was a mixed multitude.
This is what got my attention and why I decided to respond. The nation state of Israel was founded as God's nation state. I don't care what others think they can do thousands of years later, it is God's land, and anyone thinking otherwise will be put to an open shame as they are found fighting with God.
God punished them and in the book of Ezekiel it explains the time frame for that punishment and when they can return and be one nation again. This wasn't due to some bright idea of some person seeking a Jewish homeland, this was God's doing.
Yes there is a spiritual warfare. Only the blind and willfully ignorant can't see that. Just like those who think they can form a "secular Israel" or that this was formed because some guy had a bright idea in 1911.
Not all. This is simply an opportunity for them to come to Jesus or to rebel against Jesus. God searches the hearts and pride goes before a fall.
The problem is thinking they can come back to Israel as a secular nation. That is God's land and that will never work.
It is all clearly laid out in Psalm 83,
Yes, and this will become the Isaiah 17 war and the Ezekiel 38 war and ultimately Armageddon. The real "war to end all wars".
This is what got my attention and why I decided to respond. The nation state of Israel was founded as God's nation state. I don't care what others think they can do thousands of years later, it is God's land, and anyone thinking otherwise will be put to an open shame as they are found fighting with God.
God punished them and in the book of Ezekiel it explains the time frame for that punishment and when they can return and be one nation again. This wasn't due to some bright idea of some person seeking a Jewish homeland, this was God's doing.
Yes there is a spiritual warfare. Only the blind and willfully ignorant can't see that. Just like those who think they can form a "secular Israel" or that this was formed because some guy had a bright idea in 1911.
Not all. This is simply an opportunity for them to come to Jesus or to rebel against Jesus. God searches the hearts and pride goes before a fall.
The problem is thinking they can come back to Israel as a secular nation. That is God's land and that will never work.
It is all clearly laid out in Psalm 83,
Yes, and this will become the Isaiah 17 war and the Ezekiel 38 war and ultimately Armageddon. The real "war to end all wars".
Ok...now we're getting somewhere...
Seen by whom? By The Almighty??? Can you explain how you reached the statement above? Is your reasoning that you believe Moses started Judaism; that the O.T. is Judaism and the N.T. is Christianity?
If so, this is a huge misunderstanding that a lot of people also have. Below is the foundation:
Moses => The Law of God
Pharisees => Man-made Traditions negating/destroying The Law of God (eventually called Talmudism and then Judaism)
Christ => Truth about The Law of God & Grace through Faith in Him (eventually called Christianity)
At every turn, The Messiah challenged and rejected the Pharisees' traditions, promoting obedience to the Law of God instead as He taught the true understanding of it (as its author and embodiment). This is what Messiah says about those who convert to the teachings of the Pharisees (i.e. Judaism)
Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye traverse sea and land to make one convert, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
"Converts to Judaism aren't grafted in but are twofold children of hell." - Christ
They do not become part of Judah through the Pharisees' teachings. There is no other way in, the only path for a European, Russian, or Asian to become a seed of Judah is to be born a second time through The Messiah as He is The Second Adam (restarting mankind's tree), and He is from Judah. He alone is The Gate.
John 10:1, 9-10
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
And even out of those who can prove that they're descended from Israel, they are not truly Israel without a heart change, as Paul explains:
Romans 9:6-8
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Seen by whom? By The Almighty??? Can you explain how you reached the statement above? Is your reasoning that you believe Moses started Judaism; that the O.T. is Judaism and the N.T. is Christianity?
If so, this is a huge misunderstanding that a lot of people also have. Below is the foundation:
Moses => The Law of God
Pharisees => Man-made Traditions negating/destroying The Law of God (eventually called Talmudism and then Judaism)
Christ => Truth about The Law of God & Grace through Faith in Him (eventually called Christianity)
At every turn, The Messiah challenged and rejected the Pharisees' traditions, promoting obedience to the Law of God instead as He taught the true understanding of it (as its author and embodiment). This is what Messiah says about those who convert to the teachings of the Pharisees (i.e. Judaism)
Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye traverse sea and land to make one convert, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
"Converts to Judaism aren't grafted in but are twofold children of hell." - Christ
They do not become part of Judah through the Pharisees' teachings. There is no other way in, the only path for a European, Russian, or Asian to become a seed of Judah is to be born a second time through The Messiah as He is The Second Adam (restarting mankind's tree), and He is from Judah. He alone is The Gate.
John 10:1, 9-10
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
And even out of those who can prove that they're descended from Israel, they are not truly Israel without a heart change, as Paul explains:
Romans 9:6-8
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
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